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CARR SMITH: All right, very good. Director Yee, did you have any comments? YEE: No further comments right now. CARR SMITH: All right, very good. All right, so, do the commissioners have any comments? I can't see all my commissioners. I see you, Mark, hold on, I'm asking it for everyone aside from you. I cannot see Mike or Perry right now, too many windows. There you are, Perry. Okay. Anyone else have comments? (No audible response) Go ahead, Mark. Briefly, please. VAN PERNIS: - - - CARR SMITH: And go ahead, use the microphone, too, yeah? Thank you. VAN PERNIS: Can you hear me? CARR SMITH: I think so. Go ahead. VAN PERNIS: Palamanui claimed i am biased against current application. CARR SMITH: And you responded, and they didn't refute that, so— VAN PERNIS: Excuse me? CARR SMITH: And you responded, and they are not responding, they are not fighting your response. VAN PERNIS: Okay, I want to say in addition to my response that there is no proof whatsoever of- - - CARR SMITH: Excuse me, can you speak up a little bit? I'm, I don't know about everybody else, but I'm having a hard time hearing you. VAN PERNIS: Can you hear? CARR SMITH: Yeah,just speak as clearly or, and loudly as you can, please. VAN PERNIS: All right. There is no legal or factual proof of my bias contemporarily against their application. Even if there was, what is more important is that bias is not, is not, a basis for disqualification. For instance, Commissioner Vitousek is well known for his biased view for archaeological and historical information - - - presented - - - (Microphone replaced) Now can you hear me? CARR SMITH: That's better, thank you. Thanks,Noriko. VAN PERNIS: Mr. Vitousek with well-known bias in favor of archaeological and historical features will be disqualified from hearing in the applications concerning that have that subject 3 DRAFT