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• discussion going that they will have to continue with County Council, and indicating that this non-codified additional expense reduces people's ability to•create affordable housing to provide a family-base subdivision for their children, and it has a regional effect on all of us. So I think it's a good discussion to have and a good discussion for them to carry forward with the County Council. Commissioner Carr Smith. CARR SMITH: Yeah, in an effort to make sure we remain on topic and on this specific agenda item, and also wondering about setting precedent, I wonder if we could just add something general like just a request to consider reducing it in this case. But, yeah, at the same time I think encouraging for the conversation about this, to me, it seems like-the best way that this might be adjusted is based on land value, or property value rather. So Il think that would be a fair way for fair share to be looked at,but. VITOUSEK: I agree in this case because, you know; this'is newand we are taking on a different approach to it, that we have a general request that goes to the Council;and that they have the actual discussion on it because they are the ones that have the power to change any of that. Commissioner Van—oh, sorry, Commissioner DeFranco, go ahead. DEFRANCO: Mike, I just really, Commissioner Vitousek,I really appreciate that you've opened this discussion up. I think it's very valuable to all of us, for the whole island, to have this kind of discussion for families here that want-to do something for the keiki and the future generation. So I totally support what Nancy saidand putting-something general in there, staying on focus of moving forward. Thank your '‘, KERN: And—Mr. Chair,if I may? VITOUSEK: Go ahead KERN: Yeah,-I'd say-the options would be, a couple of options, you could offer up an amendment or, again, specifically have that discussion and then point the County Council to these minutes for them to read to understand the discussion and the nexus of this would be another option. VITOUSEK: Okay...Commissioner Van Pernis. VAN PERNIS: Yes. With all due respect to the Youngs and other kama`aina-s, I think we are getting into a very dangerous territory. Discussion can be had, of course,but this needs to be a Council ordinance. How do we, without any financial information on this property and with the Youngs, how do we determine what recommendation we should make? How do we control whether the subdivisions go to the kids or are sold at market value, which in this case are hundreds of thousands of dollars? We'll want to do something for the kama`aina-s,but every developer will claim some sort of kama`aina relationship, if we don't precisely state what the situation is. So I would say that this is very dangerous and should be a matter of discussion with the Council and not be part of this ordinance. 15 DRAFT