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DEFRANCO: Okay, okay. VITOUSEK: So we've got a motion and a second to approve. We can have a discussion now. So,personally, I feel like this project is reasonable, but even then, will have an effect on the community, and I feel like we've identified several mitigation measures that we can impose as conditions that will lessen the impact of the project on the community. Because, clearly, the community, the folks who are living here have a lot of concerns about that, and we have to take that under heavy consideration while we are doing this. I feel like the issue with preservation sites is a simple one; we need to remove any reference to data recovery because that's not part of the approval of the mitigation commitment that has been agreed to as part of this project. I feel like the applicants offered to do neighborhood mitigation, like the fence and speed bump and convex mirror will help. I also believe that the limitation on `ohana dwellings will lessen the impact on this subdivision and the surrounding agricultural properties where, you know,you've got 10,000-square foot lots on Ka`iminam and then we'll have 22,000-square foot lots at this subdivision and then making kind of a buffer into the one-acre lots in Kona Acres. So I feel like in this case where the community has come on force and said we want to do whatever we can to limit the effects of the project on neighborhood,having the reduction of the `ohana units in this is appropriate, and it will lessen traffic, it will lessen neighborhood impacts, and maintain a buffer between the neighboring properties and the Kona Acres. Commissioner DeFranco. DEFRANCO: I agree with you, Commissioner Vitousek. I,am very concerned about, you know, the archaeological sites there and the buffer zones, and hearing what the community had to say and their reactions, because we are part of the community, and we now, that everything that we do is going to impact us. But I also want to mention that it saddened me to hear what the previous owner had done, had gone in there and tried to sort of smooth over some of the sites and desecrated them, that was a shame. And I'm hoping, after meeting the Wards online, that their commitment seems to be doing it in a way that's respectful to Hawaii and to what is there, and in doing the development that is respectful to the nature of the ag lands, to our water systems, and runoffs, and everything that going forward we all need to participate in that, in that idea, and not just the idea that the implementation of it. But I also, I'm looking at the layout, and it, like the infill,it looks like it fits in the area; you know, you have Matsuyama Store right across the street, you know, we do need more housing here in Hawaii, and it looks like, you know, those people, too, could plant some mango trees and have some ag development on their land. I didn't see from the overheads anybody that was actually a farmer farming. Maybe they have extra food that they take someplace every now and then, but it didn't look like there was orchards, you know,big orchards or some kind of farming development going on in those neighborhoods. But every, every fruit tree counts,and it takes care of our `ohana-s, it takes care of our communities. And so hopefully, they will keep that in mind as they lay out this development that, you know, they respect their neighbors and who lives there now. Thank you. VITOUSEK: Commissioner Van Perris. VAN PERNIS: As Chair Vitousek said this community, or this application,proposed development affects the surrounding entire community, and Ms. DeFranco said basically the same thing regarding the archaeology. My concern right now is the traffic that this will generate. As I said, I'll be voting for it, with my nose held, but I think as far as this application, for more intensive development and every application in the area, we have to address traffic. And with 20 DRAFT