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VITOUSEK: Second, Commissioner Paishon-Duarte. And we can open it up to discussion for the commissioners. Any discussion? PAISHON-DUARTE: So, Chair Vitousek, I really appreciated what you shared about community benefit and the reason in which you were inquiring more about the forestry plan. So I may have missed it, but do you have a suggestion or a way forward in terms of how we can make way for that? VITOUSEK: Well, I mean—and in this case, of course, we are purely a recommending body to the County Council who will ultimately make the decision on the time extension—but to me I think having more information would be pretty crucial in terms of a botanical survey of what's actually there and then having a copy of the forestry management plan in advance so that we can see what is being proposed and what the actual benefit would be, would help us make our decision on whether that mitigates the impact of creating an additional density. That would be my suggestion going forward. I think that this applicant will do that and will do a good job of it, but going forward, I would like to see that when we are reviewing this material. KNOWLES: I appreciate that, Chair, and I think—I mean this is my first round but it would seem to me to be also helpful to be more explicit in the approval of the condition in terms of what exactly the Planning Department is envisioning with respect to the application, you know, because there's several different versions of plan that the DLNR outlines. So what exactly are we talking about in this instance? Here we are talking about native Hawaiian reforestation, in others it might be timber or, you know, I mean it could be all kinds of things. So it would be very helpful to be more explicit in the condition where we are requiring these kinds of plans. VITOUSEK: I agree, yeah. KANUHA: And, Mike, maybe we put a request into Maija just for future reference coming up, you know, for that as well. JACKSON: Yeah, I think we can certainly be more specific in the condition language. I do have a little bit of concern, though, with requiring the forest management plan in advance; right now it's not a requirement for our application material, and it's a unique situation for Kaloko Mauka, and it came about as a condition placed by the County Council on previous rezones. Sol think to kind of preempt that and assume that they are going to want to apply that condition in perpetuity going forward is a bit of an assumption, so I would just caution on requiring the forest management plan in advance of an application. VITOUSEK: Right. And I think that perhaps having the forest management plan in advance isn't necessary,but oftentimes with zoning applications, we are seeing the conceptual plans for what's being proposed, and, you know, those plans are fleshed out in greater detail after the zoning ordinance advances and, you know, that's the case. But in this case, we are really getting nothing in terms of what's going to be done for a forest management plan other than the fact that a forest management plan will be there. So I think having that level of conceptual planning on what's going to be there and to be able to present that to us with the intentions is going to be important going forward whether—it doesn't necessarily have to be the plan itself, that would be 20 EXHIBIT C (DRAFT)