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So, like Aunty Simmy was also saying, all these developments, you know, when the land is
<br /> scraped and brought up, you know, you gotta lay the foundation for the building to be built.
<br /> What comes up after that, right? So, if there were bones being found not only a hundred feet
<br /> down the way, then you can rest assured there will probably be bones found when they scrape
<br /> this land as well. So, how many more of our ancestors are we going to disrupt before we, you
<br /> know, get the picture that development is not the answer and that we need to perpetuate the land?
<br /> That's part of the motto. By just letting it be. It doesn't have to be a park. It'd be awesome if
<br /> we had more parks. Trust me. I got a kid, I take him to the park. But even if it doesn't become
<br /> a park, if it just stays natural land, then that's good enough; it's better than a building being built,
<br /> you know. So, I think a lot of the times when we come to these situations, it's, you know, it's
<br /> the public versus corporations. And what is the corporation? Kilohana Makai is a corporation,
<br /> and I don't know, their representative is right there, but, oh, it's like, basically, I want to ask you
<br /> what kind of legacy
<br /> LINGER: If you, if you could address the Commission.
<br /> VILLARIN: Okay.
<br /> LINGER: Yeah, this is about your testimony to us. Thank you.
<br /> VILLARIN: Okay. I just want to say what kind of legacy are they going to leave, you know?
<br /> Are they gonna just leave this earth knowing that they just built up a bunch of buildings on our,
<br /> on our coastline, and then, you know, be done with it, and it's not going to benefit like my
<br /> generation or the generation after me? Or, are they gonna be like, okay, we can do something for
<br /> the community here, we can stop this project, we can hold back on what we want to do, and we
<br /> can let the land be; and then the community will benefit from that rather than just a small group
<br /> of people—because that's ultimately what's happening here. So, yeah, I just, man, I hate to see
<br /> more of this stuff happening because as more and more, you know,people get away with this
<br /> kind of thing, it opens the door for other people to come in and say, well, hey, this is what they
<br /> did, we can do the same thing. And then it just, you know, it snowballs effects, and then all, you
<br /> know, you lose control basically, so . Yeah, I just want it be like how it is, Hawaii, you
<br /> know? Not just buildings and—build houses for the people that live here. Do something else
<br /> away from the coastline. We don't need more erosion. We don't need more sewage going in
<br /> there. We don't need, you know—there's a power above us all and it's Mother Nature. And,
<br /> you know, I don't know why you guys would want to build the building there because, you
<br /> know, it's obviously, people next to it are having problems already building seawalls that are
<br /> illegal in a sense. But, yet, you want to come in and build your own seawall, and it's just, it's
<br /> craziness. But, yeah, and the permit has been, has been I guess declined or it's been up for a
<br /> couple years now? And, so, it doesn't make sense that how you guys are able to break the rules
<br /> and extend these permits, but we're not allowed to speak out and or just have our land, basically.
<br /> That's just a big concern, is the land, so.
<br /> LINGER: Great, thank you.
<br /> ROY: Aloha mai kakou. `O wau no Lamaku Mikahala Roy. I'm Kahu of Ahu`ena Heiau at
<br /> Kamakahonu.
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