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Mr. Robinson: <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />Mr. Wiseman: <br />Mr. Robinson: <br />Mr. Wiseman: <br />Mr. Yoshimoto: <br />Mr. Wiseman: <br />Mr. Yoshimoto: <br />Mr. Wiseman: <br />Mr. Yoshimoto: <br />Mr. Wiseman: <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />Mr. Wiseman: <br />Mr. Robinson: <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />Mr. Robinson: <br />I could be part of the fine...fine that's imposed? Correct? <br />Well right now... <br />This would be...for example...an employee in some clerical <br />position...has to defend himself or herself. <br />Oh I see. I see. <br />Hires an attorney...and runs up a few hundred dollars, a thousand <br />or more...you know. He submits a reasonable attorney fees...you <br />know we could award it. Just a thought. I don't know...maybe J <br />has any experience in that in the government? <br />I think it's... Attorney's fees... <br />What is American rule? <br />Right, right, right. <br />Each party pays its own. Which I've ruled against in the past. It's <br />not a...it's not by stature or anything. And may have statutory... <br />Yeah. <br />Where civil rights for example and other things you know... <br />Well I really like the idea. I wonder though if it would have a <br />chilling effect on people coming forward and making complaints. <br />If they thought oh gosh...if I make a complaint and I'm not <br />successful. I might have to pay some attorney's fees. It could be <br />thousands of dollars or... I mean I hear you...but I'm not <br />sure... I'm a little... <br />Okay. Leave it open. I'm not set on it. <br />Yeah I was thinking about that. I was thinking like...remember <br />the two attorneys that represented Billy Kenoi and those people <br />that had fought. And you know...think what...have was on that <br />portion of the money we found that he was you know... <br />Violation. Yeah. <br />In violation. But then I think about the lady that had the complaint <br />against the...administration about the...someone else had been <br />retained... <br />26 <br />