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Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting <br />Minutes – May 14, 2019 <br />living on this Island is to make that stuff for our kids – that’s about how we <br />should be looking at it. <br /> <br />NP: Wao Kele o Puna – so then OHA bought it – then after? <br /> <br />PD: The idea was this – they had a forestry legacy program – the Feds had <br />money – Dan Inouye made a deal with the Indians in Alaska – you give me <br />that oil line – I’ll give you the forest – and our forest came with a federal deal <br />for them to put up 3 million dollars to Campbell, OHA put up 250 and the <br />State write off - $11,000,000 million – so the whole forest went to OHA hiding <br />behind the State and the federal program. So Wao Kele can never be <br />developed because it’s under a program from the Feds on a legacy protection <br />program – so it can never be developed for development – it’s just got to left <br />alone as a reserve and that’s fine. But at least you can hunt, you know. At <br />least you can have reproduction or seed bank and whatever you like call ‘em <br />but that’s what happens in forests if you keep it protected. It’ll keep producing. <br /> <br />NP: Isn’t Wao Kele under DLNR management right now? <br /> <br />PD: It’s under DLNR management to the agreement of OHA – Office of Hawaiian <br />Affairs – but they cannot stop us from hunting cause that was a lawsuit that <br />was won based on hunting and la’au gathering – medicine gathering. <br /> <br />NP: Can they fence in Wao Kele? <br /> <br />PD: That lawsuit is a – that lawsuit is not a settlement. So anybody can use that <br />lawsuit as a gathering rights. In fact, our lawsuit is being taught at Richardson <br />School of Law right now at the University of Hawaii, Manoa on gathering <br />rights they using our lawsuit as a template for gathering rights – so that much <br />difference we’ve made – I don’t know about other suits but that’s where ours <br />is at. <br /> <br />NP: So how much of the Wao Kele got taken by the lava? <br /> <br />PD: About half of it already. <br /> <br /> No more the resource, no more the pigs. They move out, you know. And I <br />think they all in the subdivisions now. <br /> <br />NP: In due respect, Pali, but, you know, we’ve been really trying hard and you’re <br />actually preaching to the choir – we – there’s all these things we feel what you <br />say and we are advisory so we cannot be the boss – we don’t have power – <br />we’re just advisory – and we’ve been doing our best to work with DLNR – you <br />can ask these guys – we try really hard... <br /> <br />6 <br /> <br /> <br />