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26 <br />clearly... you can't just ... say oh because this is and this is <br />provision we do it here ... no ... that's not.... <br />Ms. Aste: <br />I'm sorry ... I'm not understanding you. <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />To say that you ... you do of course can read rules together so they <br />make sense together but it's not ... just because it says informal <br />hearing ... this is the process... that's the process in an informal <br />hearing if the rules are silent ... I think you know you can hire a <br />lawyer and look into all that... <br />Ms. Aste: <br />I'm just...that was the point I meant... <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />Yes. <br />Ms. Aste: <br />If the informal rules are silent then would not you move to... <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />No. <br />Ms. Aste: <br />The rules of a regular court room which is close to your formal <br />hearing. <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />No. <br />Ms. Aste: <br />Why not? <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />Because.... <br />Ms. Aste <br />If that protects the rights of the petitioner. <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />The formal hearing ... we don't want a legal argument hear for our <br />hearing.... <br />Ms. Aste: <br />Okay. <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />But you know you can... <br />Ms. Aste: <br />Why not? <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />Because the whole point of the informal hearing is to have it to run <br />differently from the formal hearing. <br />Ms. Aste: <br />Shortcuts? <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />In a way yes knowing.... <br />Ms. Aste: <br />Abdication of the petitioner's rights... <br />26 <br />