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position of being able to have jobs in these industries. Before I <br /> finish, I want to just say, one other thing. I think there's a lot of <br /> reasons why people are protesting on the mountain. I personally <br /> don't think that science, technology, engineering, mathematics, <br /> astronomy is something that most of these people are really <br /> against. I don't think that these people who are protesting are <br /> against making sure that we have jobs on our islands for these kids <br /> once they graduate in STEM areas. I don't think that these people <br /> on the mountain have any problems with what's going on with <br /> astronomy, with what's going on on Mars...my son works for <br /> Mars curiosity rover. But because of the way the story has been <br /> played out...and because of the way that government officials are <br /> being looked at across the nation...not just on our country...I felt it <br /> was my responsibility to take the highest road possible...come <br /> here and ask for a decision from this Board. And I know that <br /> you're generally giving it informal...but I would like to have a <br /> written decision cause...believe it or not...what you come up with <br /> here will probably be discussed in law schools around the country <br /> when you deal with ethics. So thank you very much. I'm willing <br /> to answer any questions that you have. <br /> Mr. Wiseman: Yeah. Mr. Roth, welcome. First of all, there's an in check in <br /> sources, the ABA used to have a judicial...an ethics hotline. <br /> Judges and attorneys and so on. <br /> Mr. Roth: Ours is the Office of Disciplinary Counsel. <br /> Mr. Wiseman: That's the Bar Association. <br /> Mr. Roth: That's the Bar...yeah okay. ABA. <br /> Mr. Wiseman: I'm talking the ABA, yeah. So. Let me ask you. Is it your <br /> position by stepping aside, the whole office has to step aside? <br /> Mr. Roth: Well, that's one of the questions I'm asking for this Board. <br /> Mr. Wiseman: You know the Chinese wall, you know. <br /> Mr. Roth: And that's one of things that we can do. The criticism on that has <br /> been...well look...these people still work for you...they're still <br /> paid by you...and so there's that issue. I personally believe that <br /> there is no conflict of interest. I believe that as far as the <br /> appearance of impropriety...there's a case that there's now on <br /> point that the Mr. Kamelamela has cited and that has to do with <br /> TMT...and Judge Amano, who was the arbiter of the case, where <br /> she had a membership at Imiloa. And the group tried to make it <br /> 18 <br />