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Mr. Heintz: Thank you. The point of my questions on all these matters is...the <br /> question of conflict of interest or appearance of impropriety or <br /> what is the prudent thing to do? These questions might be <br /> involved with what would a reasonable person think? That <br /> standard depends on people being somehow objective and knowing <br /> the objective facts. And it seems to me that what you're saying for <br /> the record, is that there's no connection, no implication of <br /> involvement with TMT and your wife, your son or your own <br /> involvement in NexTech. <br /> Mr. Roth: Yes. <br /> Mr. Heintz: So I wanted just to add, declare that that's what my point was. <br /> Mr. Roth: Right. And I want to be clear cause you know I...last time I was <br /> reading in the article that came out. One of the things that does <br /> happen with NexTech is they went to the think fund, which I <br /> understand does have some money from TMT and so part of their <br /> support for the prizes for the camps and stuff like that. That being <br /> said, no one... Well I am not paid a penny. <br /> Mr. Heintz: It's my understanding that the TMT has been contributing nearly a <br /> million dollars a year...if the public reports are correct for STEM <br /> educations and student's education on the Big Island. The next <br /> thing I want to do is I...I really would have liked to have been <br /> present at your last session. I thought the discussion was really <br /> good, some very good and interesting things. And I just want to <br /> mention a couple of things. The Missouri Law School article that <br /> you referred to...applying the appearance of impropriety to the <br /> standard, standard. To prosecutors...I think it was an interesting <br /> article. <br /> And it starts out with a premise that, in order, and I'm quoting: <br /> "To be successful, a justice system must appear to be fair and just <br /> to the public." <br /> And that depends upon the...this notion of appearance...depends <br /> upon other reasonable, standard of a reasonable, what would a <br /> reasonable person think. So I thought that was quite interesting <br /> and the article of course is advocating for that standard to be <br /> applied to prosecutors not just judges. But I take it, that hasn't <br /> happened. But I think it's very germane to our discussion. I want <br /> to refer you to the minutes. <br /> Mr. Roth: Okay. <br /> 18 <br />