2020-01-08 Exh A Hearing Transcript Cellco Partnership dba Verizon Amend USE 15-056

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MARTIN: Absolutely not. As a matter of fact, each carrier prefers the Planning Department policy requires us to co -locate, and so if AT&T or some other carrier came in after us, after we got our permit in 2015, they would have need to, they would have needed to show that this tower that Verizon is building couldn't meet their coverage objective. So, that doesn't happen. REPLOGLE: Thank you. CLARKSON: Any further questions? I have one last follow-up question. It relates to the difference between 5G and 4G. My understanding is that the effective coverage range for 5G is not as large as for 4G. Is that a. MARTIN: Five G is basically an overlay, an overlay to an existing system to reduce capacity. So, it's more like a wifi, so with all the smart phones eating up all of the service, they add these smaller antennas and they don't go on towers because we obviously have coverage there, but they usually go on buildings or utility poles, and they're just a wifi overlay. CLARKSON: Well, the GRODZIN: —You are correct. The 5G CLARKSON: —The questions I have is as cell companies migrate to 5G, does that mean, meaning more new towers are going to be required because their effective range isn't as far as the old 4G technology, and you're going to have to keep adding new towers? GRODZIN: Not necessarily. So, I mean, this is a different type of conversation, but like I said, I was talking about before solutions, coverage solutions. So, 5G is just a newer—so first of all, the G stands for "Generation" all right so we went from 3G to 4G. It's just a generation of technology. So 5G is a smaller frequency area, but it provides for like higher speeds or higher bandwidth. So, the need for more towers? Not necessarily. So, one of the things with 5G that people are looking at or that companies are looking at are just smaller stations, smaller locations where a small 5G antenna would go like on a utility pole or something like that. Not necessarily a5G does not require, necessitate more new cell towers. CLARKSON: Okay, thank you. But, it would have a lot more smaller transmitters, much more frequently, throughout a community, on buildings on poles. I mean, that's what I've read. I just wanted to see how it affected tower applications, but you're saying 5G will not require more towers than 4G. MARTIN: It actually does the opposite. The way I see it, is it does the opposite because it's, it's creating capacity, more capacity. So, you're adding these smaller antennas so that you don't need more towers. GRODZIN: I guess ultimately, what requires more towers or more locations is more users and more usage of anyone's network. MARTIN: That's right. EXHIBIT A 18