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access to the historic sites. Those are all good things. It's just completing the process in a way
<br /> that memorializes all of those good things so that the project moves forward and has benefit.
<br /> UNGER: This is really interesting discussion, and I think it's awesome that we are discussing it.
<br /> Commissioner Vitousek, if you don't know his background, he was with State Historic
<br /> Preservation Department, he is an archaeologist. He has been really an asset to this process, and
<br /> I think even we are all learning as we get into this. A comment specifically about this, and, for
<br /> me at least, I'm not an archaeologist, so I, I look at not so much reviewing the process halfway
<br /> and then dropping my hands; I look at it, I'm a commissioner, it is my responsibility, to a certain
<br /> extent I'm delegating it. I'm delegating it to a process that I'm familiar with. I've been on the
<br /> Burial Council. I've, I understand that SHPD has to go through this process, nothing break
<br /> ground before that. So, for me personally, I'm okay delegating it, and that's just how I'm, how
<br /> I'm mentally dealing with this situation today.
<br /> KEALOHA: I'd like to follow up to that as well. I spent the last hour thinking through his
<br /> suggestion and, I guess, two points. One is I don't think this is the appropriate time to change
<br /> the ground rules; everybody has been operating on, and there's a certain set of ground rules.
<br /> And, it's easy to pick on a wealthy landowner, but these rules would apply to everyone. And to
<br /> have that expectation,just for the subdivision, I'm sorry, for the zoning changes, and multiple
<br /> iterations that may occur along the way, it's unreasonable at some point. So, as much as I agree
<br /> with the responsibility, I have to think forward about how it impacts everyone who comes before
<br /> us, and is it practical, is it doable, are we stopping all development of any kind at some point,
<br /> and that's a concern of mine.
<br /> CARR SMITH: Mr. Vitousek, I was wondering what your thoughts are about the applicant's
<br /> response that they can't really do those last couple of steps until they get their rezoning and
<br /> proceed with their project.
<br /> VITOUSEK: I mean, so, to me, the definition of a project clearly includes what we are doing
<br /> right now. About their, you know,their discussion about the changes in the project that occur
<br /> over the life of a project, I mean, to me, that's an internal discussion between what the developer
<br /> wants to do on the property, and when they come in to the regulatory process on taking their
<br /> internal plan forward, you know, that's when they have to fully bake the project into what's
<br /> going to be built, which includes all of the historic preservation reviews and preservation plans,
<br /> whatnot.
<br /> UNGER: Seeing no further discussion, roll call.
<br /> ROY: Commissioner Carr Smith?
<br /> CARR SMITH: Aye.
<br /> ROY: Commissioner Kealoha?
<br /> KEALOHA: Aye.
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