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Mr. Robinson: Thank you. Wait, I think Mr. Wiseman had a question for you. <br /> Mr. Wiseman: I have a comment rather than a question. <br /> Mr. Robinson: Okay. <br /> Mr. Wiseman: When we talk about religion, isn't religion the selection of an <br /> individual to worship the omnipotent powers, spiritual powers? <br /> And how can you call that false? Certain standards? <br /> Mr. Dorsey: Yeah. <br /> Mr. Wiseman: I don't intend to get into an ideological discussion here, cause <br /> that's not our purpose. But that's just my statement. <br /> Mr. Dorsey: Believe me, I've been through a lot of indigenous peoples' <br /> ceremonies. I've lived in Sedona, Arizona for ten years. I used to <br /> go to the hopis all the time. I know medicine men there. Okay. <br /> And I respect that they worship the Great Spirit as I do too. I <br /> worship the Great Spirit as well. But when you sacrifice human <br /> lives, that's a false. <br /> Mr. Robinson: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Okay. No comments please. <br /> Let's stay on what we're doing here. Alright, Daron Akiona. <br /> Mr. Akiona: Aloha Commissioners. My name is Deron Akiona. When I saw <br /> this agenda come forward, actually I applauded because maybe this <br /> commission can add some light as to who has jurisdiction on that <br /> road. And the reason why I say that is, I sat here on July 14th when <br /> our Mayor and our Police Chief said, "The County has no <br /> jurisdiction. It's a State operation." Okay. I've heard... I went, <br /> there's a trial going on for the first five arrestees on the mountain. <br /> In that trial, the engineer for the Department of Transportation <br /> said, "It's a State road". Then he said after being cross examined <br /> and they showed him the official website of the Department of <br /> Transportation. Then he said it's a County road. Okay. So we <br /> started off here and maybe your legal counsel can somebody can <br /> write one actual legal memo that says who has jurisdiction. <br /> Because until we determine at least that minor issue, everything <br /> else is irrelevant. Okay and I say irrelevant because if it's <br /> determined that, that road still belongs to the Department of <br /> Hawaiian Home Lands, which I'm a graduate of the University of <br /> Hawai`i Law School. K, contract 101. You sign a contract, you're <br /> expected to perform. The contract, the alleged contract that was <br /> made between the State and the Hawaiian Homes was in 1994. <br /> They was supposed to be exchanged for money. For the access <br /> 16 <br />