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usually what happens is that, you know, Plan Approval just provides a broad design, and then
<br /> your next phase is, you know, like once that's done, your next phase is to really do the
<br /> construction drawings pursuant to the broad design. And so before they did the construction
<br /> plans, they did some preliminary investigation in terms of what the cost implication would be
<br /> between utilizing the existing improvements, the foundational work, or tearing down and starting
<br /> it. And so I think I'm just kind of, you know, - - -right now but it's probably during that
<br /> phase when after the plans were, you know, from a design standpoint, was accepted, they were
<br /> starting to, the architects starting to work in the specific numbers, and kind of like decided like,
<br /> you know, this preliminarily might cost you this much. I think it's no different than any person
<br /> doing like a residential home; you know, you've got something this is what you kind of want,
<br /> and as you go through the process, you realize that, wow, this is too expensive, it's kind of
<br /> overbudget, so then you've got to kind of scale back. And I think this is kind of like where they
<br /> were.
<br /> VITOUSEK: So, I mean I totally get that, get the process that we are alluding to and all very
<br /> familiar with that, working in the development industry in Hawaii. I know very well that the
<br /> Plan Approval that goes into it, you've already baked in a certain amount of requirements that
<br /> then have to be detailed in the construction plans,but you've basically set your bar on what you
<br /> need to construct in that Plan Approval; you can't alter that after you've gotten Plan Approval.
<br /> So, again, you know, we don't have the developers here to be able to tell us one way or another,
<br /> but either they designed a project that they can afford or they've designed a project that they now
<br /> can't afford. But this is, this is their project that has Plan Approval on it, the current developer.
<br /> CARR SMITH: I think- - -
<br /> FUKE: Go ahead, Kim.
<br /> CARR SMITH: Jessica, I think you wanted to respond, go ahead.
<br /> ANDREWS: Yeah, it's more just pursuant to this train of conversation regarding Plan Approval.
<br /> The Plan Approval actually is currently expired, so—it expired in 2019—so they, the applicant
<br /> will have to resubmit plans, and maybe that will include a redesign, as Kimberly alluded to. But
<br /> there will be another round of Plan Approval review and another final Plan Approval. So,just so
<br /> you know that the Plan Approval actually is expired right now.
<br /> CARR SMITH: Mike.
<br /> VITOUSEK: Sure, yeah, I mean, totally get that, that the Plan Approval is expired now,
<br /> because—and my understanding is the SMA permit is also expired now. Is that correct?
<br /> ANDREWS: Officially yes.
<br /> VITOUSEK: But what we are discussing is the reasons for nonperformance prior to the
<br /> expiration. Along those lines, though, I would like to discuss the duration of time between the
<br /> applicant's request for time extension, which came in prior to the expiration of the SMA permit,
<br /> until now when we are post-expiration of the permit. What is the reason behind that?
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