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CARR SMITH: Yes. <br /> VAN PERNIS: In response to your question, let me say that the developer has done nothing for <br /> the public for 23 years, and now asked for another five years. The public walks in front of this <br /> project both tourists walking in the town and locals walking out to the beach. And it's a liability <br /> issue for the county because there is no safe walkway there. They can't walk on the other side of <br /> the road because of the existing walls and lack of setbacks. So this is a small contribution to the <br /> public while the developer has done nothing for 23 years. And I think you'd know that, if you <br /> didn't live in Hilo or were familiar with Kailua-Kona. And I note that the developer has not <br /> produced a single person or entity to testify in favor of this project while there is lots and lots of <br /> public testimony universally against it. So my to answer your question, yes, there is a problem <br /> there, and that's why condition 4 was included. And I'm just asking for a temporary inexpensive <br /> asphalt driveway [sic] that can easily be destroyed once construction starts. And <br /> FUKE: Okay, I, Commissioner Van Pernis, I think I have better understanding. I would like to <br /> only like suggest that, you know, we are already proposing a condition that the developer submit <br /> a site maintenance program to address like the homelessness, the litter, the graffiti, so on and so <br /> forth, and if it ties in, like, if the need to get like a good maintenance program, I mean the <br /> security and otherwise, if that program calls for like making that interim improvements, then so <br /> be it. It's something that has got to be reviewed by the owner and eventually vetted and accepted <br /> by the county. <br /> CARR SMITH: Thank you, Sid <br /> VAN PERNIS: So the answer is, no, you are not willing to commit now. <br /> CARR SMITH: That's <br /> FUKE: Yeah, I cannot make the commitment on,now, on the other hand if that is like, you <br /> know, if the condition that we are proposing about the applicant coming forth with a site <br /> maintenance program to address the homelessness, security, so on and so forth, if one of the <br /> mitigations that they accepted, or that's required by the county Planning Department in its <br /> review of the applicant's site maintenance program calls for like interim improvements, then that <br /> is the thing that they have to do. <br /> VAN PERNIS: You are asking this Planning Commission for certain things right now, but you <br /> are not willing to commit to give the public any benefit right now. Is that right? <br /> FUKE: All I'm saying is that, you know, like neither Ms. Yoshimoto nor myself can make that <br /> commitment for the owner as far as making that interim sidewalk improvement. We are not <br /> saying, however, that that cannot be part and parcel of the eventual site maintenance program <br /> that gets reviewed and vetted by the county Planning Department. <br /> VAN PERNIS: I'm talking about separate from the maintenance program. So let me ask <br /> FUKE: Well, because it's tied in-the maintenance program is tied into security and safety. <br /> 22 <br /> EXHIBIT B <br />