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HALL: I have been asked for my advice and I will give it, like if a commissioner comes to me
<br /> prior to or during a commission and asked me, "hey, this is my situation, what do you think I
<br /> do?" I will give them advice on an individual basis. If it seems like, yeah, I mean basically, if
<br /> they make a statement like Mike has stated where they're like I don't care what they present, you
<br /> know, I'm denying, then you know, there's a possibility that I would step in at that point, but for
<br /> the most part, you know, I let you guys self-police in that way, but if it's so blatant that I would
<br /> know that, you know, approve or deny would be an automatic appeal, then yeah, most likely I
<br /> would have to step in at that point, but luckily we haven't gone there so, let's not do that now.
<br /> CARR SMITH: Jeff?
<br /> DARROW: You know I've been kind of doing this for a while and in all the years that I've been
<br /> working with the commissions, most commissioners are hypersensitive in the sense that if there's
<br /> any hint of bias or conflict, they will either make it known and request to their fellow
<br /> commissioners whether they feel they can continue in an impartial manner, they will make a
<br /> statement that they can, or they will recuse themselves on their own. In all the years I've been
<br /> doing this, I've never seen it to where the recent incident happened where it was brought up that
<br /> somebody should be recused, a particular commissioner. So, I think that's why we're here. It
<br /> made us take a look at whether or not there are any rules for this particular situation, and we
<br /> don't have rules for that. In looking at the different rules that, for the boards that Malia provided,
<br /> it seemed like a reasonable rule, you know, it doesn't appear to be a rule that is brought up by a
<br /> fellow commissioner, but by an applicant. So, if an applicant feels there's a particular bias, or
<br /> impartiality on a particular commissioner, they can file an affidavit and that can be addressed by
<br /> the commission as well as the particular commissioner that the affidavit is geared towards. So, I
<br /> mean, staff can try to put something together if the commission wants us to present back to the
<br /> commission to look at, it doesn't seem like it needs to be complex, it can be as simple as what
<br /> we're seeing, a simple rule that we can add into the general rules for the Planning Commission.
<br /> So again, I, you know in all the years that we've been doing this, I, I believe 99.9 percent of the
<br /> time everybody has been super aware of their, their connections that are going on and have made
<br /> them known.
<br /> CARR SMITH: Thank you very much. Director Kern, would you like to weigh in on this topic,
<br /> if you've been able to listen, and then we'll move on. Just wanted to give you an opportunity.
<br /> KERN: Yeah, I'll, overall, I'm just listening and absorbing. Jeff is on it, John Mukai, and to be
<br /> honest I'm also simultaneously doing a bus hub meeting at the same time getting ripped apart so,
<br /> doing my very best in all directions.
<br /> CARR SMITH: No problem.
<br /> MUKAL I think I would echo Jeff's
<br /> CARR SMITH: John, do you want to say something?
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