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VITOUSEK: Yes
<br /> KERN: In addition to (indiscernible–echo)robust modeling how this wall will affect the beach
<br /> over the course of 30, 40, 50, 60 years. That's the same methodology that they use on other
<br /> islands for projects of similar nature. So just want to really have the best understanding that we
<br /> possibly can.
<br /> CARR SMITH: Zendo, can you repeat that? Because (indiscernible–echo)
<br /> KERN: Yeah, some type of robust modeling by an engi there's engineering firms that deal
<br /> with this that actually bring multiple-disciplinary folks together to actually create a modeling
<br /> over the years of wave action, sea level rise, walls, flanking, etcetera, and that would take into
<br /> account the walls to the south, to the north, this current wall, as well as the projections of sea
<br /> level rise. And, to me, that along with the alternatives analysis—now, if the alternatives analysis
<br /> came back and said we are doing vegetation, that's a different story; if it comes back and says we
<br /> are doing the wall, which will eventually turn into shoreline hardening, having an understanding
<br /> of the modeling behind that would be the proper methodology to do that.
<br /> VITOUSEK: Just to add—Commissioner Van Pernis, this is Commissioner Carr Smith's time to
<br /> ask questions, and then, you know, we will give opportunity for discussion after a motion has
<br /> been made. Commissioner Carr Smith, please proceed.
<br /> CARR SMITH: Yeah, I was just trying to get clarity. I think I understand(echo continued)
<br /> mm, never mind, no, I'm good.
<br /> VITOUSEK: Did you have further response, Mr. Pieri, to the question?
<br /> PIERL Yes, but it's kind of roundabout. Can you repeat the question itself? I got sidelined
<br /> when Alex was saying things that weren't true. The Kona Reef has let people use that area for
<br /> 40 years. There is a shoreline setback variance, and in that variance a settlement agreement
<br /> states that there is a 10-foot easement along the full length of the property that people use. There
<br /> is also a statement that they would maintain it, as long as the Kona Reef was in existence, for the
<br /> benefit of the public. So (inaudible–loss of sound connection) kind of thing there, you know,
<br /> how could we possibly take away this after 40 years?
<br /> The other thing is Alex mentioned, you know, planting naupaka, etcetera, etcetera. Zendo Kern,
<br /> Director Kern, was there, he saw that there were only two places on the southern end of the, in
<br /> the area that we want to build the structure, that the ocean was even accessible. The other areas
<br /> had naupaka and other plants already in place. So to say that we should put naupaka, etcetera,
<br /> you know, the alternative, that stuff is already there. A site visit would show, you know, what's
<br /> there and what's not there.
<br /> CARR SMITH: Mr. Pieri
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