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a lot of information that is additionally necessary. In following up what Ms. Carr Smith said, I <br /> think their information should include what effect this might have on the beach park. I think the <br /> project is necessary to protect the property and the improvement, including the lawn. <br /> VITOUSEK: There is a motion made by Commissioner Van Pernis to defer this agenda item to <br /> a later date. Is there a second? <br /> KEALOHA: I'll second Mr. Van Pernis's (echo) <br /> VITOUSEK: We have a motion by Commissioner Van Pernis, second by Commissioner <br /> Kealoha. I'd like to open it up to discussion by the commissioners. Commissioner Newberg. <br /> NEWBERG: Thank you, Chair. As far as discussion, I think in honor of this beachI mean <br /> this is where my family learned how to surfI think in honor of the owners of Kona Reef, that if <br /> there is found to be the need to provide something to protect that area, that would be sufficient, <br /> and I'm not sure if we have the information at this time. I'll be in support of deferring. <br /> VITOUSEK: Commissioner Kealoha. <br /> KEALOHA: Yeah, I'd like to echo that. You know, in looking over the proposal, on one end <br /> they are saying that there is no erosion, and the other end they are putting on, they are requesting <br /> a wall to prevent erosion. I don't think it's a great leap to see in a few years that this wall will <br /> become a seawall, even if it's subsurface today. So, as we move forward in our community, we <br /> are going to have to come up with more creative solutions beyond these hard wall structures that <br /> move water into these bays. And it's unfortunately, it's unfortunate that they are coming before <br /> us now, before new technologies have been put in place, but I don't think the information <br /> provided and where we are at todayI don't think we could move forward as is. So I would <br /> vote to defer until more discussion has been offered. <br /> VITOUSEK: Commissioner Carr Smith. <br /> CARR SMITH: Yeah, I support the deferral. I just wanted to note that we have two applications <br /> here, two agenda items, and we need to vote on them separately, so I think the first one on the <br /> list was the Special Management Area Permit number 20-000076. <br /> VITOUSEK: Commissioner Van Pernis, would you like to amend your motion to reflect the <br /> specific agenda item? <br /> VAN PERNIS: Yes, I'd like to have the motion either concern both matters or that the same <br /> motion be made for the second matter if this motion only applies to the first. <br /> VITOUSEK: Sure,procedurally, we have to take them one at a time for each agenda item, for <br /> each permit. So we'll deal with the SMA first, and then if that is successful, we can proceed <br /> with a similar motion for the shoreline setback variance. Are there any other topics of discussion <br /> from the—Commissioner DeFranco. <br /> 23 <br /> EXHIBIT A <br />