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will affect Honl's Beach. Today the seawall, or the wall, excuse me, is above grade, and it's
<br /> been buried in the ground, so it's technically not a seawall. But over time sea level rise, it will
<br /> then erode in front of it, and it will turn into a seawall, as we've seen in the engineer design
<br /> drawings. While it might completely undergrade today, as it moves forward, it will have the face
<br /> exposed, then that will create flanking, that will create hardening of the shoreline surface. And
<br /> in order to be comfortable with that as my position, I want to know that when that happens,
<br /> whether it's five years, 10 years, or 20 years from now, what effect that's going to have on
<br /> Honl's Beach? Is that going to take away the sand? Is it going to keep the same way that it was?
<br /> So I was, I was trying to work with the applicant to hopefully have more modeling or more
<br /> studies done. The studies that were presented were, in my opinion, were very focused on the
<br /> subject property and out in front of the subject property and did not take into account Honl's
<br /> Beach. So, with that being said, I was hoping to have more, it didn't come through in the
<br /> manner that I felt comfortable with, and so that's the reason for the denial of, recommended
<br /> denial of the application. Obviously, it's the commission's choice how you guys want to work
<br /> through this, but that's, that's the framework that we were coming in.
<br /> And again, I feel like this is a critical application because we are going to be seeing more of this
<br /> moving forward. No question, with sea level rise,private property, and it's going to be a
<br /> challenge. And I think thisI'm not so worried about setting a precedent as I'm just concerned
<br /> about how we are doing this the right way. And personally, I want to ensure that, you know, we
<br /> protect our environment and our natural resources. So, with that, happy to answer any questions.
<br /> Alex has got all the detail. Thank you for the latitude, Mr. Chair, and I'm here to help.
<br /> VITOUSEK: Max, go ahead.
<br /> NEWBERG: Thank you, Chair. You know, as I look at this and I read it Zendo, I don't have
<br /> your skillset, I'm not a civil engineer, I'm not an ocean scientist—but my initial feeling as I
<br /> looked at it and learn more about it, as you say, we are going to look at a lot more, as sea level
<br /> rise (inaudible—loss of sound connection), again, not being an expert but as I look at it, my
<br /> initial take is it almost looks like a retaining wall that would be installed as it has been designed a
<br /> few different times. And to me, in my opinion it almost looks insignificant. And that's just
<br /> aside from protecting what they are trying to achieve. It just seems to me, looking at it, going a
<br /> cycle of what(indiscernible—simultaneous speech)
<br /> HALL: Sorry, sorry to interrupt, Max. This is Malia. Sorry,just point of order. This is in for
<br /> questions, so if you have questions for staff or the director or the applicant. And then if you are
<br /> going to start discussing your points of views and all that kind of stuff, that we'll have to wait for
<br /> a motion. Thank you.
<br /> NEWBERG: My apologies. To get it back to questionI apologize for editorializing there
<br /> but—do you feel it would achieve the thought process aside from its effect potentially on Honl's,
<br /> or Wai`aha Beach?
<br /> KERN: I'm obviously not an expert and I'm not an engineer, either, but if we look at the trend
<br /> of sea level rise and erosion over time, whether that's five to 15 or possibly 20 years from now,
<br /> that will turn into shoreline hardening, as the sea level rises, and then that will have an effect on
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