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a picture that it's great but Mike points out we already have hunting and <br />we took that a long way — we first met with Tom Lodge and others from the <br />hunting community and made that available to hunters to come on to PTA <br />and actually use bow for our mammals and then shotguns for the upland <br />game birds. Now we have not gone to any high powered or long rifles — so <br />as a person who own firearms and I actually lived next to Camp Perry and <br />grew up there — and attended all the national rifle association <br />championships — worked there — taught hunter safety back in the '70s, <br />yeah, I'm very much into wanting to have a rod gun club or some place to <br />shoot skeet or trap or something like and I'm very supportive but it's a hard <br />push to get access on the PTA although we may have a space —there is a lot <br />that has to be done to make that happen — so I don't want to paint a rosy <br />picture but a more accurate one for you all. So thanks, Mike. <br />AA: Richard's got a question for you, real quick... <br />RH: It's not a question — I just wanted to jump in with my own personal <br />involvement. I've dealt with a couple of commanders at PTA over the years <br />— Shwedo and Martinez come to mind — there may have been somebody <br />else and the last time was when Senator — we were directed by one of our <br />legislators to really try to work with PTA as a facility instead of building <br />where we proposed. And I spent a day — maybe two days with Sgt. Major <br />Campbell and we toured PTA —Tom Campbell? <br />MD: Yes, Tom Campbell... Yup, yup. <br />RH: We toured PTA and we looked at perhaps that facility you talked about that <br />was in the middle —it was an area that shooting had occurred in for military <br />purposes and he was at least suggesting something like that might be <br />available but the problem with going through the gate and getting into PTA <br />with firearms is —there's' 2 issues: 1) you have to get every firearm you <br />bring on PTA pre -registered in order to get it there which makes it very <br />difficult for somebody that decides on a Monday morning they want to go <br />shoot; 2) you're at the mercy of the military use of the facility which is the <br />reason that it's there but you can't do any effective long term planning to <br />schedule activities such as competitive shooting and trust me — I've been <br />the president and part of — I've been in competitive shooting my entire life <br />16 <br />