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and I got a DBIDS card. That DBIDS card allows me to go into the base and <br />shoot at a facility and compete. I'm not a member of the Puuloa Rifle Club — <br />I'm just a civilian — you don't have to be a member — but that's how they <br />got started with a gun club — through competitions and even practices <br />there. All I do when I get there — everyday that I go and compete we have <br />to show our rifles to [unclear] they check the rifle and make sure it's with <br />registration — cause I had to register my rifles and the Sgt. in charge of the <br />rifle match — definitely he's in charge of all the ranges here in the state. He <br />asked me why aren't we shooting at Pohakuloa and I said it's never been <br />open for us. He said, you got the DBIDS card — you can get a gun club <br />together and try to form something, approach I guess Mike or Greg — <br />maybe we'd get something done 'cause he said that's a perfect place to <br />hold some matches or even have practices up there. <br />GF: No, I've said it's a good point the DBIDS card is for the navy and the marines <br />— that's their base access patches. They use that card. We would do <br />something similar — we would honor the DBIDS to a certain extent, <br />however, you've got to have a place to go. As soon as you leave the <br />[unclear] area of PTA you're on an active range or training area. So as soon <br />as you walk off our cantonment you're already on the range — you're <br />already on a range or a training area and so the folks back in the Pentagon <br />it's called G3/5/7 or the Operations guys who administrate all of our active <br />and ranges throughout the Army — they get a little excited about that cause <br />you know it's really for the Army and the other services to train on — so you <br />got to compete — we mentioned that earlier — you're constantly competing <br />so you can't really long term plan anything. I know where the National Rifle <br />Championships are at Camp Perry every year — so you can't necessarily do <br />that at PTA — we even have difficulties [unclear] the hunting as Mike knows <br />and trying to schedule us open up training areas [unclear] compatible use <br />for hunting and that's even difficult sometimes for us to make that — we <br />really make an effort to do it but to have a set range — a trap or skeet range <br />or a long gun range for targetry is difficult. And, you know, the access is just <br />part of it — a lot of people don't want to kind of go through that — they <br />don't want to go through an NCIC - through the National Criminal <br />Investigation Database check and have to go through all of that and have us <br />have all their records — some people baulk at that but that's what it would <br />take — no, that's just one of the many issues we have that — yeah, [unclear] <br />under the DBIDS card. <br />19 <br />