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property. But you have a fairly decent facility where you can shoot rifle and <br />pistol — you have to imagine what it's like for people here who have <br />absolutely no place — no legal place to do that and frankly don't see — I <br />gave a 20 year... <br />TY: I was referring to the Big Island when I was speaking about the range — not <br />Oahu, yeah? Big Island really needs a pistol range for training... <br />RH: Todd, I got a question — at Coco Head can you have your instructors that <br />teach rifle or pistol or shotgun — can they charge a fee on a public range for <br />the students? <br />TY: There's a permitting process, you know, just like golf courses, I guess you <br />have to get a — at county golf courses you have to get a permit to instruct <br />students there — it's supposed to be the same thing at Koko Head — it's just <br />no one really does that. <br />?: Yeah, because I believe you cannot charge a fee on a public range it has to <br />be basically on a private range like X -Ring I know they give private lessons <br />there and some of the other indoor ranges but I know the ranges that I <br />shoot at on Oahu they have no way of charging people for instructions <br />there to be certified <br />TY: Like I said, it would be like golf courses — there's a — well don't know if it's a <br />county law — maybe Honolulu might be — actually I think that's a county law <br />here where in parks instructors can charge students you know reasonable <br />fees. You're supposed to have a permit for it and as long as it's related to <br />the park use —for like golf instructors in Oahu can teach gold students and <br />charge them a fee at the county golf courses. Would be the same with the <br />range here — but Hawaii county might be different — I'm not sure about <br />your laws there... <br />RH: Maybe I can help. We have — I'm a certified instructor in all shooting <br />disciplines — as are a number of other folks here — and we've conducted <br />most of our shooting classes through the Parks and Rec Department. And <br />we use the shotgun range primarily. But we've also put on the rifle training <br />classes using areas up in the forest reserves with the approval of the <br />Division of Forestry and Wildlife, as an example, so if you have a place that <br />A <br />