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<br />KS: OK. So what you notice about fence – no fence – there’s ROD outside the fence, there’s <br />not ROD inside the fence – is that – do you see that everywhere where there’s a fence <br />and no animals within the fence or is that just in those 2 sites and then you have any <br />idea how much more that does affect the ROD spreading because of the animals, you <br />know what I mean, because you say there’s so many variables that plays into it and so <br />that’s one of them – is there any idea to say OK, now that we have a fence and no <br />ungulates it’s gonna be affected by ROD this much more. Does that make sense? <br /> <br />JBF: Yeah, ah, so, and this is something I was going to mention so thanks for the question. So <br />out of the 5 sites that we set-up and looked at this comparison – four of them really <br />showed this – way more disease outside the fence than inside the fence where the <br />animals are controlled. The other one around the summit of Kilauea you don’t see that <br />difference and there’s something else that’s not ROD that’s killing the ohia trees around <br />there, so, yeah, it’s complicated and so that pattern is repeated across the Island but it’s <br />not true in all cases. I’m sorry and what was the other part of your question? <br /> <br />KS: It’s probably harder to get to but if there’s a way for you to say OK, with the presence of <br />ungulates the chance of ROD spreading is this much more than without or… You know <br />what I mean… <br /> <br />JBF: Well, the paper and again I’m happy to send Ryan’s paper around anybody that wants it <br />the comparison we see that anywhere from twice to sixty times more disease in the <br />area with ungulates than in the area without. <br /> <br />KS: OK. <br /> <br />?: It’s common sense. <br /> <br />AA: Yeah, moving on. Thanks. I’m gonna turn this one over to Brian – discussion to a letter <br />being – going to the Mayor regarding the wild fires. Go ahead Brian… <br /> <br />BL: Brian – District 4. Hey, a couple months ago we brought up a rough draft about a letter <br />to the Mayor saying that the County of Hawai’i needs to file suit against the State for <br />mismanagement of Mauna Kea creating a fire load that is endangering the palila bird <br />and the State has no intention of doing anything so the County needs to step up and file <br />suit and the lawyer jumped up and we had to sit down and we had a meeting and we <br />had to go through the whole Sunshine Law so we’ve got it on the agenda and we need <br />to bring it up to a vote that we go ahead and propose – send our letter that we wrote up <br />several months ago to the Mayor Mitch Roth that the County seriously think about <br />doing something legally because we heard the state talking about, you know, <br />somebody’s gonna have to sue somebody to get them to do something and the state <br />doesn’t really seem to want to jump in there and do the right thing because I’ve sent <br />pictures to Barbara – I don’t know if we got ‘em – but I took some pictures of the fire <br />26 <br /> <br /> <br />