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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2021-10-28 Redistricting Commission minutes (6th Session) 2021 HAWAII COUNTY REDISTRICTING COMMISSION 6'h Session Thursday, October 28, 2021 County Council Chambers 25 Aupuni Street Hilo, Hawaii 96720 ATTENDANCE: Present: Mr. `Rina Akamu, Commissioner(via Zoom) Ms. Stephanie Bath, Commissioner Mr. James Hustace, Vice Chairperson Mr. Bronsten-Glenn Kossow, Chairperson Mr. Stephen Lopez, Commissioner Mr. Meizhu Lui, Commissioner(via Zoom) Ms. Jennifer Yadao, Commissioner Mr. Dwayne Yoshina, Commissioner Also Present: Debbie Ka`ahanui-Hoyohoy, Elections Assistant Diana Mellon-Lacey, Deputy Corporation Counsel (via Zoom) Cori Saiki, Elections Program Specialist I Dennis Kauka Jr., Legislative Specialist/ Secretary CALL TO ORDER: KOSSOW: Aloha and welcome to the 6h Session of the County of Hawaii Redistricting Commission. Today is Thursday, October 28h, 2021. My name is Bronsten, and I am the Chairperson for this Commission. Our first announcement: Because of the Coronavirus COVID-19 emergency and State and Federal guidance on large meetings or gatherings and pursuant to the Mayor's proclamations regarding COVID-19, the Redistricting Commission meetings are currently not open to the public to attend in person until further notice. Members of the public may view or provide oral testimony via the Zoom platform by requesting for this information as noticed on our posted agendas. Thank you for your understanding. Calling this meeting to order. The time is 9:32 a.m. ROLL CALL KOSSOW: Commissioners, when called upon please indicate that you are present and whether you are in Hilo, Kona, or participating by remote virtually. Mr. Kauka? KAUKA: Thank you, Chair. Commissioner Lui, "Here by Zoom," Commissioner Yoshina, "Here in Hilo, in-person," Commissioner Yadao, "Present, Hilo," Commissioner Bath, "Hilo Chambers, here," Commissioner Akamu, "Present via Zoom," Commissioner Lopez, "Present in Kona", Commissioner Hustace, "Present, Kona Chambers", Chair Kossow, "Here, Kona." Thank you, Chair. You have eight members present and we have quorum. KOSSOW: Mahalo. As a reminder, during this meeting, we are working with Commissioners in multiple locations. The audio of the meeting is being recorded so as much as possible, let's try to avoid overtalk as that becomes difficult to later dictate the minutes. Please keep your microphones on mute unless you are speaking. And we ask that for members of the public who are tuned in as well. Commissioners in either Chambers, your microphone can be activated by pressing the button at the base. I won't be able to recognize you if the audio is not coming through so be sure to check if that's on first before speaking. As I am presiding from Kona, Commissioners here with me, please turn your light on or get my attention to be recognized. For those in Hilo, or remote, please speak out with your name if you need to be recognized and I will do my best to navigate. After I recognize you, please state your name for the recording transcription and proceed. If you don't state your name first, I may interrupt you to clarify who is speaking for the minutes. Thank you all. STATEMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS KOSSOW: Now, moving over to statements from the public. Testifiers,please note, you will have three minutes per each item on the agenda to provide your statement. If you are speaking on multiple items,please indicate when you are transitioning. We kindly ask that you wait until called upon to unmute yourself. If there are issues when you are 2 called, after trying some time, we may have to move on while staff tries to work with you offline and we'll get back to you. When there are thirty seconds remaining, we may indicate this to you and ask that you summarize. Please state your name for the record and the item you are testifying on. Mr. Kauka? KAUKA: Thank you, Chair. First,just as a note, all the written testimony that was received up until this morning has been distributed to Commissioners as well. We have four testifiers who registered. However, I only see two with us so far this morning. Our first testifier is Ms. Patrice MacDonald. Followed by Ms. Brenda Ford. Ms. MacDonald, you can unmute yourself and begin. PATRICE MACDONALD MACDONALD: I'm a little concerned. I have not been able to find any of the information or the mapping. Although, our biggest concern is the lines drawn for Districts 4 and 5. We want to be inclusive of the whole town and not part of the town. Since HPP is in Kea`au, I'd like to see those lines redrawn. However, I would say that Mr. Hustace's number 9 map, was the closest to our ideal. That's my opinion from Hawaiian Acres and the few people who could access any of the materials, got together. Mahalo. KAUKA: Thank you, Ms. MacDonald. Our next testifier is Ms. Brenda. Thank you, Ms. Ford. You may begin. BRENDA FORD FORD: Thank you very much. First, I want to say that I have made my map available to the Commissioners. So, if you want to look at it, or copy it so that you can change boundaries on it, it is available to you at this time. Also, I am going to be available for the rest of the meeting for any questions, should you have any. Thank you very much. KAUKA: Thank you, Ms. Ford. Chair, that's the last testifier we have with us currently. KOSSOW: Thank you, Mr. Kauka. If any testifiers end up coming on to the Zoom platform,just please let me know. KAUKA: Thank you, Chair. I will. APPROVAL OF MINUTES September 9, 2021 meeting 2"d session KOSSOW: Moving over to approval of minutes. Commissioners, the minutes for the September 9h meeting were provided to you on October 22nd 3 Mr. Hustace moved to approve the minutes of the September 9, 2021, meeting. Seconded by Mr. Lopez. The motion to approve the minutes of the September 9, 2021 meeting was carried by the following vote: Ayes: Commissioners Akamu, Bath, Lopez, Lui, Yadao, Yoshina, Vice Chair Hustace, and Chair Kossow. Noes: None. KOSSOW: Motion carries to adopt the minutes. REPORTS KOSSOW: Moving over to reports. Commissioners, we're going to take an item out of order on the agenda. I understand the Elections staff can provide the update on advertising. Mr. Kauka? KAUKA: Thank you. Update on advertising and public outreach of public hearings From Chairperson Kossow requesting an update by the County Elections Divison. During its October 14, 2021 —5th session, the Commission approved of no more than $20,000 to advertise their public hearings using an social media,print, television, and radio options as appropriate and feasible. The Commission may receive an update on these efforts, including but not limited to platforms that will be used, advertising plans that have been secured, timing, and any funds that have been or will be spent towards this outreach. KOSSOW: Thank you. Commissioners, you should have received Communication 20 for this. Elections staff, would you like to comment on the current budget? SAIKL So, the newspaper ads, and this is just for the current public hearings. We are already in progress working with West Hawaii Today and the Tribune-Herald for the December, the last two public hearings. The public hearing advertisement right now, in the two newspapers will cost$2,220.63. For the radio advertisements, it's approximately a thousand dollars: $998.95. Again, this is only for the current public hearings that we're holding right now. The last two public hearings, the one on the east and west side of the island, that's a different charge. That will be different. I don't have a price on those now because I'm working with the newspapers and the radio. KOSSOW: Mahalo. Any questions from the Commissioners? Mr. Hustace. 4 HUSTACE: Just curious about our progress with of the other platforms, social media, or television. If we've made any headway on those? SAIKL No, not the social media. I know Dennis worked with, I believe, someone about the website. Let me see if I can get him to KAUKA: Thanks, Cori. Thank you, Commissioner Hustace. One aspect of social media of the Office of the County Clerk's social media platforms and pages, we have been posting the information on the public hearings there. I did reach out; I know there was a request to have the public hearings more prominently featured on the County website, basically, on the homepage. The idea was to have that maybe as a form of a banner where you wouldn't have to click as much to get to the information on the dates. I did reach out on October 15'h to the Mayor's Public Information Officer. He told me he could work on it at that time. I did check in with him yesterday too. I don't yet see it on the website. But thank you to Commissioner Lopez also, who offered some language on what that could look like. Currently when you go to the County's homepage, it would be in the area where they are currently advertising or featuring information on the new EPIC system. So, the idea would be to temporarily have what's kind of like a floating banner to also include our public hearings. I did let the Mayor's Public Information Officer know that we are in the middle of the public hearings now and that this would be temporary and then if we could start that up again when we do the other two after the draft plans are completed. But so far, I haven't seen progress, so I'll continue to track that with him. HUSTACE: Thank you, Mr. Kauka. Just a clarification on the social media side, it's just solely being posted on the County Clerk's page. Is that correct? KAUKA: That's correct. HUSTACE: Could we boost it on there as well? Could we spend the advertisement dollars we allotted for boosting it on that page too? KAUKA: I could check into that. Sure. HUSTACE: Just because we have this money allocated from our budget that, you know, it could go further on the social media by spending a few dollars to boost it across the island. KAUKA: Okay. There are staff members within the Office of the County Clerk that manage the social media pages and I'll have that discussion with them, on the boosting. HUSTACE: Thank you, Mr. Kauka. KAUKA: You're welcome. KOSSOW: Mr. Lopez. 5 LOPEZ: Yes, thank you. I have seen from District 8 and District 7 both, in their Council Member newsletters, prominently advertising these meetings. One of the feedbacks I gave to both Dennis and to Cori, was that the advertising doesn't really, I mean they advertise the meeting, but it doesn't really speak to the public as to what's the purpose of it and why should they be interested. So, I gave them a couple of sentences as a suggestion to add to those advertising. That somebody reads it, and it just doesn't say what the meeting is, but it gives a little bit about what the purpose of it is and why it's important to them, and how and why maybe they should get involved. So, I hope those things got through. I know they did to Dennis. I don't know if Elections received that, but I did send it to both. Thank you. KOSSOW: Thank you, Mr. Lopez. Any other Commissioners? (No response.) Okay. We're moving over to unfinished business. COMMUNICATIONS None. UNFINISHED BUSINESS KOSSOW: This is an ongoing item for map plans that are being proposed. Mr. Kauka? KAUKA: Unfinished business: I. Alternate Plans. The Commission may review, discuss, and consider any alternate redistricting plans received from the public pursuant to Hawaii County Code Chapter 36, Article 5. KOSSOW: Commissioners, this is the time we can continue discussion on the one plan that we have received, which is from Ms. Ford. Any questions or comments? We have Ms. Ford on Zoom if you have any questions for her. (Pause.) Any questions for Ms. Ford? BATH: Stephanie. KOSSOW: Ms. Bath. BATH: I'm having a challenge bringing up Ms. Ford's map on my computer. KOSSOW: Okay. We'll take a minute to pull it up. BATH: It's been loading for a long time. Maybe we could have somebody help here. KAUKA: Chair, we also have staff in Hilo who are working on looking to project that onto the screen. 6 KOSSOW: Okay. I'll give it a second. Thank you. (Meeting paused.) KAUKA: Chair, thank you for the time. It looks like we have the plan from Ms. Ford that we're discussing now projected on the screen. Commissioners here have it on their laptops as well if you want to proceed. KOSSOW: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Kauka. Thank you, staff. Any Commissioners would like to start it off? HUSTACE: Chair. KOSSOW: Mr. Hustace. HUSTACE: Yeah, I'll dive in here if we could have kind of an open conversation about this map. I think we'll have a number of these conversations as we project the other Commissioner maps up as well. I kind of like to look at different parts of Ms. Ford's map. Just to have a kind of open conversation about this. I'd actually like to start where Ms. Ford draws the boundary line between 8 and 9,just south of Waikoloa Village. I know there's no one living in that tract of land, but to be—(During this time, Commissioner Hustace paused to give direction to staffprojecting Ms. Ford's map on the screen). Just south of Waikoloa Village there, as you can see on the screen, there's a big empty tract of land. Just south of Waikoloa Road. Kind of in the midst of where the Daniel K. Inouye Extension would have been or could be potentially someday down the road. There is just a little bit further on your screen there. Just a little bit further down. I would put that all in District 9. Personally,just to make it a contiguous stretch of land there. So, you have kind of a defined boundary that connects the upper road and the lower road. Just a little bit. You can zoom out or whatever you need to do to see that whole tract of empty land there. You see that where it kind of pops in towards Waikoloa Village. I would just put that—since there's no one living there it really wouldn't matter which way you flip it but, I would just put it all in District 9 since you made that cut out towards District 9. Okay, so that's one idea. Then I would like to go down towards Kona and Kona proper towards the pier and Kailua Bay. I want to give props to Ms. Ford. One of the District's she hit right on the nose with 22,232, but we'll get to that in a moment. I'm just curious from the Commissioners representing our Kona areas, their thoughts on the boundary between 7 and 8 here. We see all of Kailua Bay is in 7. I just need to know a little bit more about their feelings on this and what residents would feel of the boundary like this. KOSSOW: Mr. Lopez. LOPEZ: Representing District 8, I think it's an extremely large deviation historically. I think that the Kailua town and the neighborhood surrounding it, including where the Civic Center sits, has been in District 8 for so long that I think that it's too major of a 7 deviation for the pubic to accept one shot like this. I think District 7 goes too far into the north and I'd prefer to see the district maintained within the boundaries of Kailua-Kona and adjacent neighborhoods remain in District 8. I just think it's too far a deviation from current. Thank you. HUSTACE: Thank you, Mr. Lopez. KOSSOW: If I may. HUSTACE: Please, Chair, of course. KOSSOW: I represent District 7 which is just south of there. I know that splitting up Nani Kailua is probably not the most ideal thing. Especially for our representative representing one part of that subdivision than the other part. I probably would like to see a little bit more, probably towards Hualalai Road which is that—if you go towards where that 374 is, right below that, there's not many homes within that area so, if you push that down, I'm sure that it would be a little bit more acceptable. That also runs through the Wai`aha Streams as well. A very, very old road. Mr. Hustace? HUSTACE: Thanks, Mr. Chair. Let's continue on down towards Captain Cook here. I would just like to hear, of course Chair for Council 7 and Commissioner Akamu, I believe, if you want to talk about some of these boundaries as well. Where it kind of juts into the more makai portion of Kealakekua. KOSSOW: This is Chair. Historically, in the 2011 Commission, they made Haleki`i Street, I think the boundary line for 6 and 7. I know I've heard some concerns regarding that, and I don't know if it would be warranted to sort of move 6 and 7 a little bit more south past Kealakekua in between Captain Cook. I know I've heard some concerns regarding Captain Cook as maybe the starting point because of the deviation for District 6. Mr. Hustace? HUSTACE: Thanks, Mr. Chair. I'm curious, Mr. Akamu, did you have any thoughts on that kind of boundary line where 6 and 7 touch Kealakekua and Captain Cook area? KOSSOW: Mr. Akamu. AKAMU: Aloha. Thanks, Commissioner. I'm hoping that at our public meeting tonight, we'll be able to get more public input. I do see that there's probably going to be some challenges, especially with this area boundary, as well as for us, on the Volcano-side area boundaries. So, this is one that I'm especially trying to see if we can get more of our public input because I think it's going to present some challenges to move the boundary there. HUSTACE: Thanks, Mr. Akamu. I just kind of wanted to gage the thoughts of different Commissioners as we go through this, and I appreciate Ms. Ford letting us use her map for this kind of dialogue and discussion here. As Ms. Ford kind of mapped out here, 8 District 6 really maintains its large portion of the southern half of the island. As we'll probably see on some of the other maps coming up later, that really the case. I think a lot of the Commissioners have seen the challenges with District 6 just because of the sparsely populated area and just the wide spread of individuals across a large tract of land, right? So, that's the challenge we have. Anything of note that the Commissioners wanted to talk about in where Ms. Ford has Council 4 and 5? KOSSOW: Mr. Lopez. LOPEZ: Yes, thank you. In trying, I have to go back to a statement I made earlier where, being on the west side of Hawaii, people talk about lower Puna, upper Puna, the town. I really have no concept of what they're talking about. Even in public hearings, when these statements are made, and I can't ask a question. So, when people say don't split up the town, you have to understand that it's pretty common to you, but from the outside looking in, I can discern what you're talking about. But I did notice, in this map, that, and this is based on comment I heard in the public hearing, about Mountain View and Kea`au. So, I guess I'm asking, and I noticed Ms. Ford put those in the same District 5, is that the area referred to as "town"? And is it intended that they should be together as this map portrays or does it just happen that way? Can anybody comment on that? The terminology and those statements to help me understand what we are trying to do here in this area. BATH: Commissioner Bath. KOSSOW: Ms. Bath. BATH: Thank you, Commissioner, for asking. I know it is challenging because there's such diversity geographically on our island and culturally as well, in some communities. I've lived in District 5 for forty years and have some connection with District 4 as well. There are a number of things. As far as the word "town," in my community, when people say they're going to town, that means they're going to Hilo. It doesn't mean that they're going to Pahoa. It doesn't mean that they're going to Kea`au. Mountain View is a tiny little historic village that offers—it doesn't offer much in terms of people going there to shop. In public testimony, there were a few testimonies that pointed out that Pahoa Village is split in half. So, the actual town of Pahoa is partially in District 5 and it's partially in District 4, which is problematic. The testimonies are steering towards having Pahoa as a town. If you can imagine Captain Cook or something being split down the middle, there might be concern there. The other thing regarding Council District 4 is that the Kalapana, the southeastern area that Ms. Ford has in District 5 is really part of lower Puna. It's really part of District 4. In order to get, pretty much anywhere, unless you use the Chain of Craters Road, you need to transverse through Pahoa. People in that area go to Pahoa to do shopping, to do various things. To put that in District 5-well, there's a question on whether that makes sense. The other that you might want to know, I mean if District 4 wants to talk about district, I would yield to her. Commissioner, did you want to give any input on District 4 for him or should I continue? 9 YADAO: I mean, what you're saying is, yeah, true but it's like, how would you adjust the numbers to move that? BATH: I was just giving out information, not talking about numbers right now. Just giving him the other thing was the HPP issue which is huge. Did you want to address that with him, or shall I continue? Yeah? Okay. So, the other thing is at the top left-hand side of Ms. Ford's map, there's a subdivision, Hawaiian Paradise Park, which I think has like 15,000 people in it. And their subdivision also extends over Highway 130 into the, on this map, it's on to the other side of Highway 130. But they do polarize towards they are a part of that community. So, that's what I have to say to kind of give you a perspective on District 4. With District 5, which is my district, the Highway 11 is the only road that we have going in and out of Puna and for people to get to Ka`u. There isn't really any road redundancy in that area. In the Puna Community Development Plan, they've remedied that but it's yet to be implemented. The implementation would involve connectivity locations from Orchidland, which is, if you go from Highway 130, from where Ms. Ford has District 4 going in to District 5, and you just draw a line up through the center of the subdivisions, that's where the connectivity locations are going to be in a staggered way. This will allow Police and emergency response vehicles to come through. This has all been adopted in the implementation plan for the Puna Community Development Plan. So, you go through Orchidland, headed towards the Ka`u district. You go from Orchidland to Hawaiian Acres to Fern Acres. You got Eden Rock. You have a number of subdivisions. What Ms. Ford has done, is she's taken Fern Forest and she's put that into the Ka`u district and all the way up towards the Park. I can see that as a concern in terms of the delivery of a level of service in that area. So, that has a concern in terms of connectivity. Other than that, is that Mauna Loa Estates is in District 2 now? Yeah, anyway, I don't want to make any comments on the plan itself. I just wanted to give you a little more of an insight. HUSTACE: Thank you, Commissioner Bath. Yeah, it had some challenges KOSSOW: Hold on, Mr. Hustace. Mr. Lopez still had the floor so I just want to go back to him and then I'll have you go. LOPEZ: Thank you, Ms. Bath for that very good discussion of things that obviously, I'm not aware of. Should you produce a map, I would be interested in seeing how you apply these concepts that you just mentioned to that map. One thing that stuck out to me, that you were talking about, you used the term Puna town. Can we bring up the map and somebody point to where that is here? Again, I apologize for my ignorance. BATH: I'm sorry. Did I say Puna town? I meant Pahoa town. LOPEZ: Pahoa town. You did say Pahoa town. I'm sorry. Show me where that is. Can somebody bring up a map? That could be the town that's being referred to in these public hearings. Well, the one in District 6 anyways. 10 BATH: Commissioner Bath. Actually, I think that Brenda did include all of Pahoa town together here. It does look like it. I stand corrected. LOPEZ: But geographically, point to me where this geography is. I see nothing that says Pahoa town on the map. You can probably zoom out a little bit so that we could get a bigger picture. Right here where it says Pahoa Village? HUSTACE: So, right there where the road bends. Yeah. Right where it bends down. Sort of that nook in the road where it splits off to Kalapana and Kapoho. LOPEZ: Okay. I'm looking for that on this map here. Right in there? Where there's a population of 313? So, in that neighborhood. Okay. HUSTACE: Yeah, so it's split between the two there. LOPEZ: Okay. Where it says Pahoa. Alright, thank you. That's close enough. I can go dive into it. Thank you for that. I yield. KOSSOW: Mr. Hustace. HUSTACE: Thanks, Chair. Sorry about that. Some of these challenges, we've all faced with HPP, you know, well over 10,000 residents in there. I understand the connectivity issue but we're trying to reach this number of 22,232 and around that, given the deviation. It's hard with an area so densely populated too. It swings the district boundaries so easily. While I think Ms. Ford hadn't intended to put Kalapana to be a part of that district. And I understand what you're saying, Commissioner Bath. I think there are some challenges of adding another 1,200 other people. Because of the distance between HPP and Kalapana, it's just adding that many more people. It jumps the number that much higher. So, I think there's some challenges there. Some of the issue that I had here, was the boundary between 3 and 2,particularly the more mauka portions above Kurtistown and Mountain View, up on the slopes there. Because if you're talking about connectivity, Commissioner Bath, this is one of the issues that I had with one where, these tracts and blocks are further distanced from Hilo but they only connectivity is through Council 5 there. So, if you go down along the Volcano Road, the main highway, that's how they access their property up in there. Let's see, well Stainback actually connects that way. So, there are some connectivity. I see what Ms. Ford may have done there. Okay, thank you. YOSHINA: Chair Kossow? KOSSOW: Mr. Yoshina. YOSHINA: If you're going to consider this map seriously, I would like to have some time to look at the details for downtown Hilo which has been carved out of District 2. The second concern I have is that kind of an innocuous point here but, the command in control of Pohakuloa, I think, comes through military headquarters or that command 11 structure, which is in Hilo somewhere, Keaukaha I guess. And so, to put P6hakuloa in District I sort of makes that more difficult for me. But I would like to look at this map a little closer. Especially the downtown Hilo area. Seems like this map divides out the downtown Hilo area from the mauka area of Hilo. I have some concerns about that. LUL I just have a question as well. KOSSOW: Mr. Yoshina, did you yield? YOSHINA: Yeah, I yield. KOSSOW: Okay, thank you. Ms. Lui? LUL I guess, Ms. Bath, you said that Pahoa town was not split. I don't know it very well, but it looked like it was from the map. I don't know what the answer is there. And also, I seem to remember, and I couldn't find it in the Communications that someone had testified about the size of District 6 and perhaps moving Volcano, some of that area, into either 5 or 2. I'm not sure. Does anybody else remember that? I yield. KOSSOW: Yeah, I remember that. I think it was Mr. Flaherty that suggested the size of District 6 was too big and so if we added a south part of, to combine Pahala into Volcano. That was a possiblity. HUSTACE: Mr. Kauka, a question for you, if you don't mind. KAUKA: Yes, Mr. Hustace? HUSTACE: The maps being projected up on the screen, these are being deposited on a more public friendly site. Is that correct? KAUKA: Correct, yes. HUSTACE: Could you tell us a little about this? KAUKA: I'm actually going to have Elections if Cori can explain where this map came from. But it's a link that recently developed or actually, Debbie is at the table. We can switch back to the other map though, if the Commissioners prefer, they were looking at. This one I guess, may have a different, a more public interface. KA`AHANUI-HOYOHOY: Okay. So, that map that you folks are seeing up right now is what we had pulled from whoever drew out map plans and Erik with GIS had put this together to make it public view, yeah? HUSTACE: I guess my question is, where is this located on the County website? 12 KAUKA: So, Mr. Hustace, we are working to have this link available. We sent it to a few people who have inquired about it and we are working to have this link on the website later today. HUSTACE: Mahalo. KOSSOW: Is there any other questions regarding Ms. Ford's plans? Or comments? Ms. Lui? LUL Yeah, I just have one which is about District 1. Actually, she follows the boundary that you drew, Chair Kossow, along Waianuenue rather than the Wainaku River. In thinking about this more, I think that does make sense. Even though those are areas that probably relate more to Hilo, I'm not sure that there's any other option unless we grab some of the subdivisions along the Saddle Road but that doesn't really make any more or less sense than the other alternatives. So yeah, I'd be very open to that. KOSSOW: Thank you, Ms. Lui. One of the things that I wanted to ask Mr. Hustace is, I noticed that between District 1 and District 9 kind of splits, there's a Pu`u Kapu. Yeah, one side of it is Pu`u Kapu. That is located, if somebody wants to scroll in towards Waimea town. (Pause.) Right in the boundary line, right in this area here, the Pu`u Kapu right there, and then right across the street is another part of Pu`u Kapu. So it kind of divides the two. Do you have any comments on that? HUSTACE: Thanks, Chair, for that question. If you don't mind I'm going to jump to Ms. Lui's, to kind of build off of what Commissioner Lui said as well. This has been a challenge, similar with District 6 and District 1, is this large expansive land and there's fewer people to match this number of 22,232. So, in drawing my maps for District 1, I either took more of Hilo or I took more of Waimea or a combination of the two, right? There are people that was in Waimea that want all of Waimea in one district and unfortunately, that would leave District 1 really shorthanded, and they'd have to take a lot more of Hilo. So, I don't know if it's a balance between the two, taking a little more of Waimea, a little more of Hilo, or a lot of one or the other. So, to answer your question, Chair, some of the maps that I drew did consider Ms. Ford's as well where, she actually used a geographic boundary to divide it here. So, she used a stream boundary here, right on the outskirts of Kuhi6 Hale in Waimea. Right at the Mana Road junction. Now, unfortunately all these people that live in this Mokuloa Subdivision, both Pu`u Nani Subdivisions, that would be a big change for them. It's going to take them to come to these meetings and really talk about that, what district they really want to be in. Because I'm hearing that they want to be in the Waimea District but what is Waimea District? Maybe because Waimea's growing as well, that it needs to have a split representation. So, that's kind of up for conversation too. But yes,the Pu`u Kapu kind of, the large original Pu`u Kapu Subdivision of Waimea, the eastern portion of Waimea, is being split between the Belt Road. Similar to Ms. Ford, I used some of these larger streets as boundaries on the Mauna Kea side. So, Mealani Road was an option. White Road's another option. There are a lot of people that live in these kinds of areas that are kind of cut there on the other side of Waipio, up on the north side of the Belt Road. That helped 13 District 1 to get it's numbers. I'm not sure what district they should really go in. I'm trying to figure that out myself. I'd be grateful to hear from testimony from people from this area that live in these communities. If I put all of those, you know,people have always said in the past they wanted White Road to be that dividing line or even further. That means District 1 going to have to take a lot more of Hilo. There's got to be about another 2,000 people that live in that stretch of land there. So, District 1 would be short that many more. LUL Right. Right now, the boundary isI'm sorry, Chairman Kossow. KOSSOW: Ms. Lui. LUL Yeah `cause right now the boundary is White Road, I believe. James, is that right? I was wondering about Pu`u Kapu. Some of it is Hawaiian Homeland. Is it Hawaiian Homelands across both, across that boundary line that Ms. Ford drew? HUSTACE: Let's see. So, most of the Pu`u Kapu,that Hawaiian Homes where the fire was earlier this year, most of that is in District 9, as shown on Ms. Ford's map. So, that's on the south side of the Belt Road. There are some that are in District 1 though. So, across Mealani Road. The current boundary, from my understanding, no, to my knowledge rather, is White Road on the south side of the Belt Road. But, on the north side, it actually is at(indiscernible) Drive. So, it actually, right now, it's a weird one. Where it currently is, it's splits a subdivision. That's not I don't think that's appropriate, where it splits a particular subdivision, right? So, what Ms. Ford has here is she's trying to either move the whole subdivision in one way, or the other. That's what we're talking about in the Kona areas too. Yeah so, I think what now it shows is like this kind of jog in the line at White Road to Mealani, I think. Currently, I can't remember off to show it but, yeah. Part of Pu`u Kapu, most of Pu`u Kapu Homelands are in District 9, right now according to Ms. Ford's map. LUL I see. Okay. Well, thank you for that clarification. I understand we may be getting a new Commissioner from District 3 that is Native Hawaiian. And, I will hope that she would comment on some of these Hawaiian Homeland issues. BATH: Commissioner Bath. KOSSOW: Ms. Bath. BATH: I have a general question. We're looking at changing, drawing some lines that are going to shift one district into another district. I wanted to use the Hamakua south boundary line at Waianuenue that's come up as a matter of discussion. What reason are the Commissioners opposed or the public opposed to changing lines and putting communities, for example, from Hilo into Hamakua by redefining the line at Waianuenue instead of the river? What is the reason, other than historically, that that is not doable? Because I can see that happening in a number of districts. Where we're going to need to 14 take people from one district and put them into another one. So, I'd like to have that discussion on what the obstacles of doing that might be. LUL Chair Kossow? KOSSOW: Ms. Bath, are you ? BATH: I yield, yeah. KOSSOW: Okay, thank you. Ms. Lui. LUL Well, I think that for most of District 1, most of District 1 is quite rural and agricultural. So that, people in Hilo don't necessarily have the same overriding interests that people in most of the rest of the district have. Also, because they get their services from Hilo, any issues relating to those kinds of things, whether it be infrastructure issues, or service issues, it would be their interests would align more with Hilo town. So, that's the problem. So, looking for the areas of least population in Hilo would be my way to go. Does that answer your question? BATH: Yeah, it answered it. I was just trying to understand `cause I also, when I was playing around with the maps, used that as a boundary line. But there are some problems with that apparently with community or historically? LUL Right. Well, I mean some of the things along there are the Hilo Medical Center and the, I don't know if they are State parks, but Boiling Pots and Rainbow Falls are there. So, that's a little bit different than just Hilo town too. Yeah, it's not all that residential. YOSHINA: Chair Kossow, this is Dwayne. KOSSOW: Mr. Yoshina. YOSHINA: My thoughts about this is that, and it goes probably contrary to what Stephanie just said. Historically and traditionally, the line used to be on Wailuku River, yeah. And so, my other thought on this is that, for Council District 1, if you're talking about a rural lifestyle,perhaps not coming south, but going north would be more logical. And I know that there are two council districts going, well if you considered Council 1, you also have Council 9, which are two council districts which appear to want to move that boundary south. But perhaps you could think about moving that boundary for District 1, north into Waimea. That's my thoughts. Thank you. KOSSOW: Alright, any other discussion regarding Ms. Ford's map before we move on? We have a lot more maps to go through. BATH: Commissioner Bath. KOSSOW: Ms. Bath. 15 BATH: Looking at Ms. Ford's map and District 2, the new south border really cuts in to the community in District 5. There's no connectivity with the block that has 598 people in it, that whole area and District 2. That's definitely connecting along Highway 11 there, all of those areas. I can't see the reason that that would make any sense, being put into Council 2. The other thing I wanted to say is, I was looking at the Kalapana area. If we were going to put it somewhere, it would make more sense to connect to it in Ka`u, than it would with District 5. Because at least they have an in and out with the Chain of Craters Road on that level if we're unable to put that into District 4, that might be an option. `Cause it makes as much sense to have it in District 5 as it would in District 6. I yield. KOSSOW: Any other Commissioners regarding Ms. Ford's plan? (No response.) Okay. We'll move on to—Mr. Hustace? HUSTACE: Just a point of order, Chair. Did we have any Communications to file today? KOSSOW: I think we moved from we're going to go through the Communication KAUKA: Chair, if I may? This is Dennis. KOSSOW: Mr. Kauka? KAUKA: We did have a Communication from Ms. Lui, but that's under the New Business category since it's drafted as a proposal for the Commission to consider. KOSSOW: Thank you. HUSTACE: There was also—we also received KOSSOW: There's also a Communication, number 22, from Ms. Hunt that came in today. Is that correct? KAUKA: That's correct. That's a piece of public testimony. KOSSOW: Okay. I think we only had Ms. Lui's, Mr. Hustace. Yeah. HUSTACE: And that was just one—we still have to do one from the Delaney's? KOSSOW: I mean, that's this one. HUSTACE: I know it's testimony. I didn't— KOSSOW: idn'tKOSSOW: Oh, this one's testimony as well. Yeah. HUSTACE: Okay. 16 KOSSOW: Yeah, yeah, yeah. HUSTACE: Okay, thank you. KOSSOW: Yeah. HUSTACE: I apologize. KOSSOW: The Communication for Ms. Lui is under New Business. Communication 17.1. Okay. HUSTACE: Thanks, Chair. KOSSOW: Any other questions or comments regarding Ms. Ford's plan? She's also on the Zoom call so if we have any questions, we can ask her. (No response.) Okay, we're going to move on to MACDONALD: I have a question. KOSSOW: I'm sorry. Can you state your name? MACDONALD: Patrice MacDonald. KOSSOW: Okay. Ms. MacDonald? MACDONALD: It said raise hand. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to speak or not. KOSSOW: Under public testimony, you can speak for three minutes on each item. So, we'll give you three minutes if you'd like. MACDONALD: I find Brenda Ford's map pretty good. I still have an issue with the fact that Hawaiian Paradise Park is in the district of Kea`au which is now encompassed by District 5. And I don't know if that's going to be brought up further in the other mapping but, I would finesse that. Hawaiian Paradise Park, their district is the district of Kea`au. Now we have Council District 5 in Kea`au to Hilo. That would be my only objection. Thank you. KOSSOW: Thank you, Ms. MacDonald. I'm going to call a recess for five minutes. Thank you. (Five-minute recess.) 2. Draft plans. The Commission may review, discuss, and consider any redistricting plans submitted by Commissioners and work to develop or decide on its Draft Plan. 17 KOSSOW: Alright, calling the meeting back to order. Is everybody—looks like we have three and then Ms. Lui. And Mr. Akamu is on Zoom. Yeah, okay. So, we just finished the alternate plans. We're moving over to draft plans. This one's a little bit lengthier. This is all the Commissioners that have submitted their plans. I believe we have one from myself, one from Ms. Bath, one from Mr. Lopez, and about a hundred from Mr. Hustace. (Laughter.) Why don't we go ahead and start with Mr. Hustace? Do the bulkiest one first. I kind of liked Draft number 3 and Draft number 7. One of the concerns, and I would probably like to yield to Ms. Bath, if she would, is Draft 3 is placing HPP and Orchidland and `Ainaloa into one district. And then the second Puna district is kind of around that. I'm not too sure where Orchidland kind of finishes. I thought it was at 40'h Avenue but, I don't know. Ms. Bath, do you know? BATH: Excuse me. Can you try wait? I'm trying to find the map that we're talking about here. KOSSOW: Looks like staff is pulling it up right now. But if you go to under open, and then it's Draft number 3 by Mr. Hustace. HUSTACE: Chair, would you like me to dive in on this one? KOSSOW: Yeah, go ahead. HUSTACE: I'll override then. Okay. Well, this one, this map I submitted. Most of the maps I submitted, and I do have another couple other maps in the works as well. But, of the maps I submitted, this is the one that is my most drastic map I created. Because I took into consideration how big Commissioner Akamu's District 6 was. You know, if you can disregard the numbers of the districts, their numbers are the numbers. We can switch those around later. So, I don't see a problem with that. But, you know, District 6 currently is very huge. We've had testifiers talk about how large the district is and how the services are very split across the districts. So, this is the most drastic map I had here. I made a lot of concessions on different parts of the map. So, if we want to start on the east side of the island, this is where I talk about, or why Paradise Park has such a large population base, that I had to find other areas around it that are of like mind and of like service to be included in the same place. So, I did stretch across, sometimes what people would call, the geographic boundary of that, of the 130 there, Highway 130. So, I did try, to the best of my knowledge, to understand Orchidland and `Ainaloa Subdivisions are and absorb those into the HPP area. So, it does stretch across the highway, but it got me to that number. It's, you know, 96 short, but that's really darn close for an area that's already that densely populated. I did try to use other particular boundaries in that area. Now I know this draws an issue of contiguity, right? Where you have Council 4 all of a sudden, goes all the way out to Kapoho and people to get to other parts of District 4 would have to go through a couple other districts. And then that, District 4, goes all the way down and goes around Na`alehu on the south end of the island. But, this was kind of where I was trying to think about, how can I split District 6? I was really kind of—this was my impetus for this drawing and this draft plan here. In doing so, it did shift our 18 Kona districts further north. It shifted everything else around. On the west side of the island, our Kona districts shift north. And even the northern Kona district has to absorb Waikoloa Village in this case. So that was another concession I had to make for this map. Waimea becomes all one district with North Kohala. So, that's all in one district. But it also takes out most of Honoka`a and that becomes part of a singular district there. I understand this is a very challenging map. And then the district along the coast of Hamakua had to go more into the mauka portions of Hilo town. So, on the east side there, I took Council I as urban as possible for Hilo town in District I there. In Council 2, was more of the mauka portions and it did have to wrap along the makai areas and Kea`au, Kurtistown, and that sort. But I did try and use those boundaries as the roads as connectivity as best as I could. I welcome some feedback on this. But that was really the goal I had, was to trying to divide the districts more equally, geographically. Especially the large southern district and this was kind of what I came up with. Thank you. KOSSOW: Thank you, Mr. Hustace. I know this one was like a—and I know this is a tough one. Because you're going to split up a community no matter what. And I know when I was trying to create a map, kind of giving the Ka`u District its own area. And then putting south,part of Kona, Miloli`i, into Kona, you're going to make some tough decisions when it comes to splitting the north side of the island, or even on the Hilo side. So, I know that was that can be very difficult. I will open up for a discussion on Mr. Hustace's 3rd plan or if anyone wants to move over to his other plans. BATH: Yeah. Commissioner Bath. KOSSOW: Ms. Bath. BATH: Yeah. This is pretty interesting, what you did with Council District 3. I do want to give some pretty strong input here. Hawaiian Acres Subdivision has been chopped up into three different districts. You've got part in 3, you've got part in 4, and you've got part in 2. The other thing is that, the people of Hawaiian Acres community, which is one of the largest subdivisions on the island,polarize to get their mail in Mountain View. Their children go to school in Mountain View, unless they are homeschooled or go to a charter school. The people in Hawaiian Acres also polarize towards Kurtistown. Their addresses are actually in Kurtistown, in lower Hawaiian Acres. And you've got that in District 2. This is such chop suet' that I don't think it's going to fly. The other thing is that South Road, Old South Road, North Road, Kurtistown, all of that is a basis of our definite community and the Community Development Plan for Puna. And so, if we chop this up the way that it's done, it's going to the implementation of the Community Development Plan isn't going to be able to fly. So, I think you might want to reconsider that. Mountain View, the North Pszyk Road, North Peck Road, all of that is—it's Puna. And I don't see how that connects with District 2, other than the Volcano Highway. So, little bit, actually, lot of concern on that one. I yield. KOSSOW: Any other Commissioners? Mr. Lopez. 19 LOPEZ: Yes. My onlyI want to complement Commissioner Hustace on thinking blowing up the box actually, thinking beyond the box. But he did address the situation in District 6. And he mixed this up like it's going to completely redo our whole County Council structure. And I'm sure they're—if anybody of them's looking at this, it's going to be wild. Essentially, I just want to say thank you for introducing this because it is a subject of discussion. Whether we like it or not, I really appreciate your thinking way dramatically out of the box and giving us an extreme alternative. Thank you. KOSSOW: Mr. Yoshina. YOSHINA: Yeah, I just have a question. You have the Community Development Plans? They're based on geographic districts, right? So, is there a possibility of knowing where those lines are? (No response.) If no one has the answer, that's okay. Thank you, James, for your map. I like this map. LUL Meizhu. Can I, Commissioner Kossow? KOSSOW: Yeah, Ms. Lui. LUL Yeah. I mean I also like the idea of really changing a lot of things because things have happened over many, many years and may not be working all that well. But, I wanted to but I, you know, bow to certainly Ms. Bath's concerns about that particular district. But I am glad that she brought up the Community Development Plans as well as Commissioner Yoshina, because I think a lot of us are very committed to those plans which are in effect and have the effect of law and will be hopefully implemented over the next decade. So, I'm not exactly sure how that interacts with our redrawing these lines. So, I guess I'm echoing the concern of both Ms. Bath and Mr. Yoshina on that one. I'm not sure what to do with it because where I'm thinking, like Honoka`a is included in the Hamakua Development Plan in a big way. So, if it was taken out and put into a district with Waimea, which could make some sense, but I'm just not sure how it would affect the plans, the Development Plans. HUSTACE: Chair. KOSSOW: Mr. Hustace. HUSTACE: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but those Development Plans are more geographic based than political based. What we're drawing here are political lines or political boundaries. So, I mean, District 9 currently, we have two Community Development Plans. So, it's not—like those are geographic areas. They're not necessarily determined by political boundaries. I could be wrong, and we need someone from the Planning Department to clarify that. LUL Yeah, okay. Thanks. That helps. HUSTACE: Mr. Chair, one other thing. 20 KOSSOW: Mr. Hustace. HUSTACE: And I thank you for your comments on this and feedback. I do appreciate them and I'm grateful to show such a drastic map here. You know, we've had some testimony that is requesting more voting power in the Puna area. This map gives that, right? Now there are potentially three voting blocks in that Puna area, that touch in that area. I did try to use those boundaries. I know it looks kind of chop suet', like you mentioned Commissioner Bath, in some of those areas. I was just trying to use some of the geographic boundaries. There's a stream that runs through there. And then, used roads that match along that stream. Some of the blocks don't line up because someone didn't know how to draw up census blocks but that's another topic. Yeah, I had some difficulty with that still and I think we'll talk about going forward. But yeah so I tried to use some really clear boundary lines. I really value the input from the community on this and the Commissioners that know these areas `cause that's going to help. Thank you. KOSSOW: Alright. Any other questions for Mr. Hustace regarding his map number 3? (No response.) Okay. The other one I wanted to point out, and Commissioners, you can point out any other map from Mr. Hustace as well, was draft number 7. I thought it was a little bit—it took Council 7 and 8 to different areas. It brings up a good question regarding future growth, I think, in the next ten years. That's actually one of my concerns. So, I know Mr. Lopez probably can comment on the growth of 8 and it's continuing to grow. It's going to move northward. But it also doesn't give Waikoloa to that Kona district. So, that's one of the other things I wanted to point out. Some parts of HPP is split. I don't know if it can cause any issues between associations or subdivisions. If you want to scroll down into that area there. Yeah, so right off the road there, that little part is part of HPP. That was one of my concerns and I don't know if that—were you just trying to get some numbers in there? Yeah. And then D2 and D3, District 2 and District 3 are split by Mohouli and Pu`ainako, the Daniel K. Inouye Highway. I thought that was kind of clever to be honest with you because it's kind of hard to go through that line. Especially with that census block and sometimes it would go over the line and just becomes a geographical mess. But other than that, any comments on Draft 7? Mr. Hustace. HUSTACE: Thanks, Chair. I can speak to this a little further. Starting on, where I have for Draft 7, Council's 4 and 5, where 5 had to take part of Hawaiian Paradise Park, that was like a number thing. It would have pushed Council 4 well over the limit if I had to keep you know, Ms. Bath, this has taken your ideas into consideration about having Kalapana as a part of the Pahoa area, all the way up to HPP. Now, had I taken the entirety of HPP, it would have put Council 4 well over the limit. I mean currently right now, it's sitting at 3.8 percent over deviation. So, that's why I had to sacrifice some of it away from Seat 4. But it takes all those makai portions, right? It takes all the way down to Kalapana. It gets close to what you're talking about there. Of getting Kalapana and Kapoho altogether, Pahoa altogether. I just couldn't make it work with all of HPP together. That was the only problem. Going a little further towards the Hilo sideso, but Council 4, sorry Council 5 in that case, eeks over both sides of the highway. Pushes as far 21 as it can to Volcano. Like the other maps I've submitted, these are, I would see as, more of incremental change. The last one we looked at was very drastic change and kind of threw it all in the wind. So, Seat's 3 and 2, as we move towards Hilo, these almost remind me of ahupua`a's in a sense, where it wraps from the mountains to the sea. I used those guiding principles. I used our modern urban boundaries of Saddle Road to divide 2 and 3 and very distinct roadway usage of Pu`ainak6. There was some difficultyso, the census blocks out there on the makai portion of Council 3 are crazy. There are some really weird, shaped ones and so trying to find a very contiguous shape was hard. But I really tried to keep, in this one, the Hilo urban area, the urban area. Council 1 in this case, does maintain that Waianuenue Avenue as we talked about before and pushing that boundary a little bit closer to Hilo. As you move through District 1 to District 9, this is kind of inspiration from Ms. Ford, and seeing those other boundaries with those waterways, the streams. Mealani Road and not having these weird jogs in the line. Sorry, I know I'm moving pretty quick here. Then also considering the testimony that we've received about those living on the coast of District 9,particularly in the resort hub area. We've had testimony that, there on this northern boundary of Council District 8, they have more of a connection to the Waik6loa area, more to the resorts. So, I really tried to take those testifiers and their consideration into account and find that boundary line. Just like Ms. Ford did and use those contiguous lines of Saddle Road and so forth. I did have to move District 6 further up into, past Kealakekua in this case though, to really get to those numbers without pushing further towards Hilo. The stuff in the heart of the island, where PTA is, I'm very comfortable changing a lot of those things. It's not really a populated area. It's really more about what we've talked about at the very beginning of the Commission work; About contiguous, connected, road usage. How do we get to these places? That's why I had Council 2 wrap up on the north side of Saddle Road and Council 3 on the south side, all those different things. They kind of meet there at the center of the island, for the most part in the PTA area. Thanks. KOSSOW: Thank you, Mr. Hustace. Mr. Kauka, I believe Ms. Ford is still on and had a question or wanted to make a comment? KAUKA: Yes, Ms. Ford is using the raised hand feature. Ms. Ford, you can unmute yourself. FORD: I did. I just unmuted myself. Can you hear me? KOSSOW: We can hear you. FORD: Okay, thank you. I'm fascinated by these maps. Very, very interesting maps. Nobody's map is going to be perfect, as we all know. We know the census blocks are disgusting. So, I think these two maps have some very interesting things. The one thing I really want to say, for everybody's map, is you got to make sure you could get from one portion of"District X"to the other portion of"District X"with some connectivity. For instance, I looked up and the different District 9 and District 1, and Hamakua is the only way to get through to the Waipi`o Valley. Not by the highway, but the road through Hamakua. Those things have to be taken into consideration every single time because 22 you're not supposed to leave one district, go out of a district, and then come back into the district. Other than that, these are very interesting maps. They have some good features to them. Thank you. KOSSOW: Thank you, Ms. Ford. Ms. Lui, do you mind muting yourself? I think we hear your phone ringing. Is that you? Or is that somebody else? LUL No. KOSSOW: Is that us? No? Okay. YOSHINA: Chair, that was me and I muted it. KOSSOW: Oh okay. Thank you, Mr. Yoshina. Appreciate it. Any other questions or comments for Mr. Hustace regarding his draft number 7? BATH: Commissioner Bath. KOSSOW: Ms. Bath. BATH: This map looks a lot more reasonable than the original one, which was kind of radical and good for discussion. Thank you for your submissions. I yield. KOSSOW: Thank you, Ms. Bath. Any other questions for Mr. Hustace? If not, I would like to ask any Commissioners if they want to review any of his other maps right now. We can pull that up. Or Mr. Hustace, if you want to, if something screams to you that you want to talk about, you're more than welcomed to. HUSTACE: Thank you, Chair. Maybe give it a moment. We can hear from the other Commissioners about their maps. I'd be curious to learn more and then I can always jump back to others that I might have. KOSSOW: Absolutely. I'll go to mine. I submitted this one very, very early. There's another one that's going to be popping out here soon. I wanted to do one prior to listening to testimony and listening to other Commissioners. And then I wanted to do one afterwards and see how I can make these changes. The one thing I don't like about this map is the way District 5 goes kind of down that way. It kind of splits off Pahoa town, which was what we've discussed earlier. But it's similar in style with Council District 9, 8, and 7, with Mr. Hustace's draft number 7. The other part to it was similar in style when it comes to the Waianuenue area which is what Ms. Lui kind of pointed out earlier as well. But yeah, any comments? (No response.) Good. I must've done a good job then. (Laughter.) Okay. I believe Ms. Bath and Mr. Lopez also submitted some maps as well. Can we take a look at those? BATH: Ms. Bath here. 23 KOSSOW: Ms. Bath. BATH: I just wanted to make one comment about this map. Again, the District 5 is running down into lower Puna, the old Kapoho area, and there's really no connectivity from the upper to the lower area of that. So, we might want to just keep that in mind. That the area out on the point there is really District 4, not District 5 as far as community and accessibility. KOSSOW: Are you talking about Kalapana? BATH: Yeah, I'm talking about Kalapana and then it extends up towards the point there, by where the flow took out Vacationland and Kapoho and all that. That area is all in District 5 and that should remain in the same district as Leilani, HPP, or Hawaiian Shores, Hawaiian Beaches, that general area. Just wanted to point that out. I yield. KOSSOW: Thank you, Ms. Bath. Any other comments, questions? HUSTACE: Mr. Chair. KOSSOW: Mr. Hustace. HUSTACE: Thank you, Chair, for taking the time to submit a map here. Could you tell me a little bit about the division you made with 2 and 3? Of some of your thoughts there? KOSSOW: So, I wanted to follow a roadway. This obviously is not perfect but, if you can kind of scroll into that area. Are you specifically talking about Hilo town? HUSTACE: Yeah, so just curious, of the neighborhoods and I'm not really familiar with some of these neighborhoods up Kawailani, kind of on the more mauka areas. I know its's hard, it's a numbers game. Where do we put this neighborhood? And trying to find that really distinct roadway that divides them. KOSSOW: Right. When I lived in Hilo for five years, one of things I think I kind of remember is, the original 2011 map. And to the Commissioners from the east side, you can correct me if I'm wrong, it kind of ran through some parts of town like that. And so, I kind of wanted to do the same but I had to increase it in order for District 1 to be accommodated into the Waianuenue side. HUSTACE: Thank you. Another question I had for you, Chair, was on the west side of the island. I think this is going to be pretty apparent and maybe I'm wrong, but those testifiers that talked about the resort area. I had these in mind, Ms. Ford had it on her map, and I think other Commissioners have it on theirs too, to really put those resort areas together, that were in the Waikoloa Beach area. They were just kind of sticking out there. The question I had was on the more in,just above Kailua Bay, and the neighborhood that sticks out across Henry Street, between 7 and 8 there. 24 KOSSOW: I believe that's Malulani Gardens? Let's scroll down there. HUSTACE: So, on the south side of Palani, across Henry. I know those are a lot of commercial businesses in that area. KOSSOW: So, one of the things I was trying to look at on this map specifically is to have there's a road that cuts up through, actually it's a river that cuts through there, but it separates the subdivision to Lowe's, the Lowe's area. HUSTACE: Okay. So, it does stick out? Like it just cuts across—above? KOSSOW: It goes up the stream. Or if you're from Kona, it's a dry bed. HUSTACE: Does that one carve further up mauka then? Does it go above? KOSSOW: So, that census block, unfortunately, kind of splits into Mamalahoa Highway, which is the mauka road. You kind of see it up there. There's nothing above it, unless you get up into that area of Mamalahoa, the (indiscernible) road. HUSTACE: I think it's a strong map too. We're making these little adjustments. Because of the first map, that you put up of mine, Chair, was a big change. It would take a lot of people to really scrub their minds and think differently about what district they're in. The numbers are one thing that are numerated for each of the districts. But that alone, reimagine the whole layout, the political layout. So, I think also for the comfort level of most of the public is to take incremental change, right? People don't like these drastic changes and I appreciate that. I just wanted to show what is possible. I think what you've done here is reasonable because you concluded Pahoa town. What were you mentioning about Pahoa town earlier on? KOSSOW: I wasn't able to get Pahoa town just generally in one district. But I think I'm going to try to play around with that a little bit more to see if we can get that in there. The other concern I have is kind of reflected of what Ms. Bath was kind of saying about the lower part of Puna. And ensuring that Leilani and Kalapana are also included into that one district. My concern is just how logistically the numbers the game is going to be played out. I don't want to make it look like a little salamander or anything. I know that's going to be an issue for everybody so. HUSTACE: And Chair, `cause your numbers are looking really strong too. Right now, what you have in Council 4, you're only 57 under but if you took into consideration the forest reserve and those neighborhoods that abut the forest reserve, the Wao Kele o Puna and then also down Kalapana, you're going to add another 2,500 people it looks like,just off the top of my head. Not to mention, those that are included in the Pahoa town. So that pushes you well beyond the deviation if started incorporating all those. I would imagine you would have to make the changes on the HPP side or some concessions over there. That's how I saw it on my second map, the one that was projected. So, thanks again, 25 Chair. This looks really good for incremental changes and making some adjustments here. Thank you. KOSSOW: Thank you. I appreciate it. The other thing I would be kind of concerned about, you know, we talked about it earlier, about splitting subdivisions and all that. HPP is a very, very big area. One thing that I don't want to do is separate it. But I know that other people in the public have some concerns regarding that, and I think had some concerns earlier today, and written concerns. So, we'll have to take it into consideration on what we can do best to serve that area. Any other questions? (No response.) Alright. Is Ms. Bath or Mr. Lopez's map up on this site? Or do you have to go to another site? Or to the ESRI site? KAUKA: Chair, it's not on this site. The site that we've been looking at, our hopes was that it was a better visibility for the public to view this during the meeting. I just received this link yesterday but we can switch over to the ESRI to look at any other plans that were submitted that way. HUSTACE: Yeah. Let's give Mr. Hustace some time to review his hundred maps and then we'll come back to him. If we want to hop over to ESRI real quick and then take a look at Mr. Lopez's map, and then we'll also look at Ms. Bath's map as well. Thank you. (Meeting paused.) KOSSOW: Alright. Thank you, staff. I appreciate it. I'm going to give Mr. Lopez the floor to talk about his map. Thank you, Mr. Lopez. LOPEZ: Thank you. I thought I'd put together an early draft of a plan that did very little more than balance the population, trying to achieve within as far as below the maximum deviation as I could. And that's what the result is. What I was looking for is to get, not that people had visibility of the map, but more public testimony in the hearings from why, what we should be paying attention to, how not to cut up a town, if you will. And we haven't been very successful in getting a lot of public testimony yet. This map was an attempt to just balance. I'm old school. I like straight lines which this is quite a chore to try to get straight lines for the way the census blocks are drawn. I wanted to maintain the integrity of what we have presently, and just balance population. So, there's not a lot of drastic deviations, at least I don't think so. I'm interested in hearing any and all feedback on east and west. But I did want to maintain in District 8 and District 7, I didn't want to cut them up or make a drastic change there. Because in my understanding, there's a real difference in, I don't know what the word is, but in the Kailua-Kona district, if you will, our area, there's quite frankly, there's a lot of high end residential homes, a lot of business, high concentration of money interest, if you will. And from residential perspective, real estate, it is a large percentage, beside the Kohala Coast of the County cash cow. But I saw Council District 7 as more rural. Not that there's a lot less money, I mean there's large landowners in there. But with the rural aspect, I wanted to maintain that thinking together from the urban aspect, if you will. That was my goal in trying to maintain the balance between Council 8 and Council 7. I changed a lot of Council 9, I 26 believe. Again, for population and there was some testimony about keeping Waikoloa Beach area into Council District 9. So, I tried to answer that, and I heard a lot of feedback about not breaking up HPP, so I kept that intact. (Please note, there was an audio interference at this time) Hello? KOSSOW: Please mute your Zoom. Thank you. LOPEZ: So essentially, that's it. I tried to keep it as simple as possible, balancing population lines with the little bit of consideration that I had from public testimony and my own personal interest in keeping Council District 7 in its persona, as well as District 8. Any questions, and comments? I'm interested in how I might have achieved the interest of Council District 3, 4, and 5. Just because I've heard a lot of testimony in that area. KOSSOW: I'll start. Can you go up to the northern part of the island, real quick? I know we wanted to get comments on the east side. But I wanted to zoom in to the northern part. I didn't really look at this. Keep going north, Haw! side. I think one of my concerns is, does it run through Kapa`au? Okay. One of my concerns for a district that splits up a very, very rural community, specifically in here, there's no access way on the east side. And so, if you zoom out just a little bit, you have to take the Kohala Mountain Road, which is, I think, what you have the boundary line there and come down Haw! Road or Kynnersley and then head into Kapa`au. Maybe the interest might be a little bit different in this area than it would be in Hamakua. Which is, I think, where Council 1, it has on your map. Can you zoom out again? Thank you. Yeah. Does it run into Waimea? This is all one district into Waimea? (Response away from the microphone.) Oh okay, I see. HUSTACE: Chair, if I may have a KOSSOW: Mr. Hustace. HUSTACE: This is a question to Mr. Lopez. You kind of kept the boundaries similar on the 1 and 9 side, yes? On the east side of Waimea. They look like they are now for the most part. LOPEZ: Yeah. I didn't try to make a lot of deviations, right. HUSTACE: I think what Chair Kossow is saying that, you could almost switchI know you were trying to get close to the number. You can almost trade out and give Council District 9 back that census block group on Kapa`au. You know, we're talking about connectivity,just to make sure that that's all in one. And then you could give back, down in Kona on the south side of Kaloko Drive, back into one of the Kona districts. Just `cause it kind of eeked back down into, you see that one part down at the bottom. LOPEZ: So, grab some numbers from 9 ? 27 HUSTACE: Yeah, even if you're not—yeah and you give that section back to 8. Just because District 9 doesn't really connect down there other than going through District 8 there. Otherwise, I think it's getting pretty close there. You can allow yourself some of the deviation within that five percent for each district. It gives you some leniency to make sure you're following the connectivity thing there with those districts. LOPEZ: Okay. Thank you for that. KOSSOW: Any other comments or questions for Mr. Lopez? YOSHINA: Chair Kossow, this is Dwayne. KOSSOW: Mr. Yoshina. YOSHINA: I find this map to be very nice. I like this map. Primarily because the changes from the 2011 districts are incrementally done. Makes it reasonable for me. I don't know how it impacts the Puna district though. I haven't had time to look at that. Thank you. KOSSOW: Thank you, Mr. Yoshina. Any other comments, questions? LOPEZ: So, my observation of this map is that, and it goes back to a comment that Commissioner Hustace made a while ago, it's we're not introducing a large change to the public. So, it's kind of, apart from distributing the votes so that every district has an equal, if you will, say. Very small change and the public, probably very little, would even notice. Unless somebody finds something where I split up a neighborhood inappropriately. But other than that, it's a slow and go. Thank you. KOSSOW: Thank you, Mr. Lopez. YOSHINA: This is Dwayne again. KOSSOW: Mr. Yoshina. YOSHINA: I think that's the reason I like this. It's a reasonable way to go about redistricting. The changes that are implemented doesn't upset much of anything. My comment. Thank you. KOSSOW: Thank you, Mr. Yoshina. Any other questions? (No response.) Alright. We'll move over to Ms. Bath's. Ms. Bath, I will yield to you. BATH: I submitted this map just to open up a dialogue. The main thing that I was considering was the HPP population, initially. Then I decided, I wanted to look at the numbers generally for each district, to have a balance there. So, I decided to go out of my district and start the northern area in Kohala. I wanted to keep the rural community together, having access in and out of the district. I took the public input, as far as Waikoloa, the other night. We still fell short there. This isn't anything that has to be. It's 28 just what I was working with. You can see what I did with District 8, District 7. District 6 was a huge challenge. I included the Kalapana area in Pahoa, in the District 4 area. I also put the Pahoa Village into District 4 per the public testimony and to give them a town, have that district have a town. It was required to put some of the District 5 subdivisions into District 6 to bring the numbers up. I tried to keep that, the area to the right of Highway 11 intact because of the future connectivity out locations and projected need for redundancy within District 5. And also, that redundancy connecting with District 4. The big thing was I moved the whole HPP subdivision into District 3. I did that because of the public feedback on HPP not wanting to be broken up. There is a bit of an arm that sticks out. I couldn't get around that any other way, other than to do that. I used Highway 11 as the boundary going into Hilo. As I'm approaching District 2, I was required to take some of those subdivisions and give some to District 5 and District 4. Primarily,just to make the numbers. When I reviewed the plan, everything checked out except for the connectivity check. If anybody has any questions, I'll be happy to try to answer them. KOSSOW: Mr. Hustace. HUSTACE: Thank you, Commissioner Bath, for submitting this. You said you had some connectivity issues. I do note that there are—and I'm actually a little surprised that it let you submit it if there were errors popping up. Because if you zoom in to where you have Council 5, there is a small census block that runs along the roadway, indicating that it is in Council 2. You can kind of see it there,just down a little bit on the screen. Right below Council 6. And there's another one I noticed in—on the Kona side too. So, it's interesting that the program didn't catch those, and didn't flag it for you. BATH: That might be what the issue is. HUSTACE: And if you click through that program, that process where it sends you those flags, if you click next it will take you to like, you see that little line there, that's an error that pops up. I guess the only concern I have on this one is arm that reaches into Hilo from the Puna area. I know it's about you're trying to get the numbers there but, it really reaches pretty far down into Hilo town there. The other question I had, you mentioned about Waik6loa Resort residents. Did you want to put them into District 9 or District 8? BATH: Try wait. Let me zoom out here. HUSTACE: So,just there on the coast, up on the big screen, on the makai side of Waik6loa Village, there's a yeah right there on the left there on your cursor yeah, that area, that's all Waik6loa Resort area. Just curious if you wanted to connect them into District 9 or District 8 there. BATH: I believe I put them in District 8, but let me check. HUSTACE: Yeah, so they're in District 8 now. I think the testifier said that they identified themself more with the other resort area,just north of them. 29 BATH: Oh, is that right? I'll have to reread there. HUSTACE: I believe so. I believe that was their testimony. That's what I took for inspiration. BATH: Okay. Thanks for pointing that out to me. HUSTACE: Thank you. BATH: So, I'm pau if anybody doesn't have any other questions. KOSSOW: Any other questions for Ms. Bath? (No response.) Okay. We'll move on to anybody else wanted to speak to any of the other ones before I hand it over to James? Mr. Hustace? (No response.) Mr. Hustace, you have the floor. HUSTACE: Thanks, Chair. Of the 9, I'm trying to find one that shows more incremental change, but I'd like to jump to Draft number 9,just for an instant. And then maybe we talk about this one just for a moment and then if we call for a recess, I can try to find one that has more incremental change. This is one that is a bit more—it's not as drastic as number 7 I'd put out. But this one has some significant changes. We can start with the Waimea area actually, because this was a big change. Or it actually splits the town of Waimea right at its crossroads. So, something different to think about. I split it at the crossroads there, where the urban core of Waimea is. I know it splits the core of Waimea but I tried to envision a different—you know, I have constituents that say I want all of Waimea and the whole of Waimea in the same district. And I can't seem to make it possible without shifting the boundary even further away from Waik6loa or further into Hamakua. So, there's a challenge there. This was trying to find a more significant dividing line of a community, rather than some rural roads. So, I took that into consideration, the core of the town. Now, that means though that Council 1 shifts. Now that I've taken that middle of Waimea, District 1 shifts a little further north. So, if you look at the east end of District 1, you can see that the Hilo District of Council 2 now moves into what is like Pauka`a and all the way up toI tried to find a clear boundary line. I think it was Honoli`i. But that's where that kind of shifts. We've had testifiers, we've even had Commissioners talk about,people that live in those outskirts of Hilo identify themselves more with Hilo. And so, this was taking that into consideration and shifting that district to capture those outskirt communities of Hilo. In doing so, Hilo because that urban core but also some with outlying communities. Council 3 really becomes this more mauka portion of Hilo, above Hilo, and doesn't touch any of the water. Moving a little further east, towards 4 and 5, this is similar to some of the other maps I tried to tinker with. The Hawaiian Paradise Park population issue, I pushed them. I tried to keep them all on that north side of the highway, of 130. I know Pahoa town is still divided a little bit, but it follows that line of Kapoho Road. And so, Kapoho is kind of split, and those communities between 4 and 5, but it gives you the connectivity from 5. Kurtistown, Kea`au, all the way down to Kapoho and Kalapana. Kind of creates an interesting shape there. I think I just did some incremental changes for 6, in this case. I may be mistaken here. So, on the west side, 6 really doesn't have really much of Captain 30 Cook. This is where I think I shifted some things and maybe 6 took more. Actually, it took it more further in past towards Mountain View, basically. That's where I kind of shifted 6, more to the east. So, that means 7 and 8 shifted south a little further. There's an interesting boundary line between 8 and 9. We can go into more specifics about it but that's just a general overlay. Thank you. YOSHINA: So, Chair Kossow? This is Dwayne. KOSSOW: Mr. Yoshina. YOSHINA: What draft was this now? Nine? LUL Nine. YOSHINA: Thank you. KOSSOW: Ms. Lui. LUL I feel like we're kind of coming down to some questions for almost every map and maybe we can kind of figure out what those are, the question of HPP, the Waik6loa Resorts. And then I guess for me, in Council 1, the question of whether shifting more toward the south or the north or splitting the difference. I think in looking at this map, James, I think I'm sort of moving toward thinking that moving north is better because Hilo is just so Hilo and a lot of Waimea is more rural. Obviously as you know, we have a lot more in common, work together off and on, on various things between Honoka`a and Waimea. So anyway,just to flag, certain things just keep coming up as questions on all of these maps. I yield. KOSSOW: Thank you, Ms. Lui. Any Commissioners? The only thing I just ask, is can you zoom in? I think that's a little bit north of downtown Kailua, right on the border of 8 and 7. I guess at Kalawa side. A little bit more up, sorry. On 8 and 9. Ok so we put Palisades, I know Palisades is to the left. This census block is ridiculous. It's massive. HUSTACE: Thanks, Chair, for pointing that out. This boundary line between—for this particular map, this boundary line was very difficult. So, there's a census block if you just zoom up just a little bit. This block is terrible. It actually encompasses about four or five census blocks within it. But there are roads that cut down into it that there should have been a break in the block here. I don't—this is, this one was the worst of one of the ones I've seen. Because it goes all the way from the edge of Kaiminani, all the way to Kuki`o Golf Course. In that block, there are 1,500 residents across miles of lava fields. It doesn't make sense to me, this block. This is terrible. So,when I tried to draw this boundary line, I almost threw my hands up because this is crazy. This one here. You can see it just north of that,just in the pink area. There's a big block that says zero. It's all of that,just north of that. You can select it with the identification tool, and you can see how big it is. Cori, do you mind grabbing that with the identify tool? Just so the Commissioners can see that. So, if you're on the create tab up on the upper bar. Yeah, if you click create and then 31 there's the ID tool. It's a little circle with an "I" in it. There's the hand, yeah that's the one. If you could grab that and you can select the one block that I just want to identify to the group here. So, it's in the pink area,just north of that one. So just got straight north just a little bit, out of that block. Yup. Yup. Click that, right there. Okay now if you can zoom out so people can just see this block and what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's a problem. It goes all the way from Kaiminani all the way to Kuki`o Beach Club. Thank you. KOSSOW: Thank you for Mr. Hustace, for overcoming that. I know that's a little difficult. If I remember correctly, Mr. Lopez can probably comment on it if he wants to, but the Senate District for 4, runs right down Kaiminani. So, your left Senator also is connected to Hamakua, and your right Senator is connected to Kona. They use Kaiminani before, even though there's a very, very large population over there. Any other comments on ? HUSTACE: Just to add to that, Chair. I would have used all the way up to Kaiminani, but then it changes the population. So that's where I had to some things in that area to use as a guiding line. I wish I could have used Kaiminani as that clear line. It's just that the numbers wouldn't allow me to do so. Thank you. KOSSOW: Thank you. Any other questions or comments for Mr. Hustace? BATH: Yeah, Stephanie here. KOSSOW: Ms. Bath. BATH: As far as the zooming into the area of District 4, District 5, and District 6, again, I wanted to point out that District 5 includes a lot of lower Puna and there's no connectivity. It actually extends the Kalapana area into the former Kapoho Vacationland's area, which is now lava flow. This map isolates and cuts off the Fern Forest community, the Eden Roc community, all of that redundancy and connectivity. It basically chops off the upper part of District 5 and gives it to Ka`u, and then gives us a lower Puna District 4 portion for Council 5, which makes absolutely no sense. Because Leilani and Kalapana definitely, as communities, polarize towards District 4. If we needed to change something, it would make more sense to give the Kalapana area to Ka`u, than to do what is suggested here. I appreciate your time and your efforts. However, this is a problem for Council District 5. I yield. KOSSOW: Any other comments or questions for Mr. Hustace regarding map number 9? (No response.) Mr. Hustace, do you have any other maps you want to talk about? HUSTACE: Thanks, Chair. If you give me moment just to look through some of these that I could touch on. 32 KOSSOW: No worries. While we kind of wait, Ms. Bath, when you referred to some parts of the communities up by District 6, I'm just curious, what was the communities you say, that was broken up? BATH: Well, the communities themselves weren't broken up. That's one of the things that I appreciate about that, that communities were intact. However, if you can visualize District 5, with Highway 11, the Volcano Highway, going from Kea`au, let's start at Kea`au, to the National Park. In the discussion, the input was to keep the Park altogether. So, going up from Kea`au to the Park, on the left-hand side of Highway 11, there are a number of communities that are stacked on top of each other. Hawaiian Acres, I'm talking about the district at this time. Hawaiian Acres is the widest of those communities and that starts Kurtistown to Mountain View. And then, again, you're going from Kea`au to the Park. Then from Mountain View on up, you have Fern Acres, Kopua Farm Lots, Eden Roc, and Fern Forest. All of these communities attach to each other at their tops and their bottoms. In the Community Development Plan, which was adopted by ordinance in 2018, connectivity locations were determined so that the communities can transverse from one community to the next. Right now, we have to go off the Highway 11 to get to the next community in most cases. What happens there is, the emergency responders have to do the same thing. They have to go from one community out to the highway and back in, which slows down their response time. So, if you can keep in your mind that there are, as adopted by ordinance, connectivity locations going up to the top of those subdivisions, in a staggered way. If you take out these subdivisions here, I mean Fern Forest is definitely a Puna subdivision, a District 5 subdivision. So, at the very least, I would encourage the Commission to adopt these subdivisions so that there is future redundancy from lower Puna to upper Puna. It's a huge health and safety issue. We can talk privately about the issue right now, at another time. So, that's real important to keep those subdivisions in. Volcano Village may need to be given to Ka`u. It's just how it is. But do you understand what I'm saying about to the left of Highway 11? It's important to keep those together for redundancy and health and safety issues. Having a delivery of a level of service to those areas, if they're split up between two districts, I'm not sure how that level of service is going to be delivered. On the other side of Highway 11, from Mountain View, if you look at South Kulani and that area, that also is an area up to Ihope Road at the very least, that has a pretty big population of people that polarize towards Mountain View and Kea`au. So to put that into Ka`u, it just doesn't ring true to me. Then zooming back out, and giving us Leilani and lower Puna. Taking away the subdivisions in upper Puna and giving us Leilani and lower Puna makes absolutely no sense at all. In terms of community, in terms of connectivity, in terms of the delivery of the level of service and infrastructure and representation for those areas. So, I'd just like to put that out for you to reconsider with this map. I yield. KOSSOW: Thank you, Ms. Bath. Any other comments? (No response.) Mr. Hustace, do you have your other map? HUSTACE: Could I request a recess? KOSSOW: Yeah. Five-minute recess. 33 HUSTACE: Thank you. (Five-minute recess.) NEW BUSINESS KOSSOW: Alright. Calling the meeting back to order. We're going to move over to new business. Before we move over there, I would ask all the Commissioners to continue to look at those maps. As well as the maps that are on the ESRI site. Just remember that, to finalize the maps is December 9h so let's make sure that we get those done. And then we have two meetings in November. Alright heading over to new business. Mr. Kauka? KAUKA: New business: 1. Communication 17.1 —Counting Incarcerated Hawaii Residents From Commissioner Lui,proposes that the Commission write to State Election Committee, Representatives, Senators, and authoritative entities asking for rule changes that effect incarcerated people being counted in their self-designated permanent residences. KOSSOW: Ms. Lui, you're recognized. LUL Well, this is really a follow up from our last time's discussion. Where we all agreed that incarcerated people should be counted at their residences so that it doesn't skew the numbers in the places where prisons are located. But it was impossible to change the numbers for this particular redistricting effort. I proposed that we simply write to our Senators and Representatives to see whether they can change the legislation or pass some kind of legislation before the next redistricting effort to make that change. Apparently, some states already have that. KOSSOW: Thank you, Ms. Lui. Is there any further discussion? LOPEZ: I have a question. KOSSOW: Mr. Lopez. LOPEZ: Do we have a sense of how large a deviation this is presenting to Hawaii County? LUL We never were able to get really great numbers. I know the Election Department tried but, if you look at the prisons and how much they can hold, I think it was like at least 500 people, for example, in Hilo. So, some of those might have had a permanent Hilo residence but a lot of them probably did not. 34 LOPEZ: Thank you. So, about 500 is what we're talking about. LUL That's kind of off the top of my head. I don't remember the exact numbers from the Election Department's report. KOSSOW: There's also a census block that goes all the way up to Kulani Prison. And that's 176 incarcerated peoples there. Alright. Ms. Lui, did you want any action regarding 17.1? LUL Can I make a motion that we do that? KOSSOW: Okay. Go ahead and state your motion. LUL I move that our Redistricting Commission write to our legislators at the State level to ask them to write and pass legislation that would count incarcerated people at their permanent residences and not in their place of incarceration. KOSSOW: So, there's a motion on the table, motioned by Ms. Lui. Is there a second? YOSHINA: Second. KOSSOW: Seconded by Mr. Yoshina. Any discussion? YOSHINA: Yeah, this is Dwayne. KOSSOW: Mr. Yoshina. YOSHINA: I think we should support this proposal because it is similar in spirit at least to the questions we have with students at the universities and for military populations. And they're counted at their residential addresses. Thank you. KOSSOW: Thank you, Mr. Yoshina. Mr. Hustace. HUSTACE: I would encourage that we direct this letter to—and I know, Ms. Lui, in your communication, you said the State Election Committee and to our State Representatives and Senators. Then I would encourage it'd be directed to the Big Island delegation. Is that correct? LUL Yeah. That's a good amendment. Thank you. KOSSOW: Does it need to be amended? It does say Representatives, Senators, and authoritative figures, so. HUSTACE: Just looking for specificity. Yeah. 35 KOSSOW: Yeah. I see. It's pretty generalized. So, I guess if you wanted to specify or just do, you know, to everybody. LUL Yeah. I'll leave it up to you, the Chair and the Vice Chair to decide on the best people to receive it. YOSHINA: Chair Kossow, this is Dwayne. KOSSOW: Mr. Yoshina. YOSHINA: Does that include the Council as well? LUL I don't think they have any jurisdiction over that. YOSHINA: Okay. Thank you. KOSSOW: I mean we could write it as more of like, by the way. So, the motion is still on the table. Any other discussion? (No response.) Mr. Kauka,please call the roll. Ms. Lui moved for the Commission to write to legislators at the State level to ask them to draft and pass legislation to count incarcerated people in their self-designated permanent addresses. Seconded by Mr. Yoshina. The motion for the Commission to write to legislators at the State level to ask them to draft and pass legislation to count incarcerated people in their self-designated permanent addresses was carried by the following vote: Ayes: Commissioners Akamu, Bath, Lopez, Lui, Yadao, Yoshina, Vice Chair Hustace, and Chair Kossow. Noes: None. KAUKA: Chair, thank you. You have eight ayes. KOSSOW: Thank you. Motion carries. REFERRALS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION None. 36 ANNOUNCEMENTS KOSSOW: Moving from new Business to announcements. There is remaining public hearings prior to the completing of the draft redistricting plan. And we have, Thursday, October 28th, today, at 6:00 p.m. and Rodney Yano Memorial Hall_ If anybody wants to watch in on that, that's going to be on YouTube. Also if you want to testify on it, you can notify Dennis. And Dennis, can you put the—kind of state what the email is there? KAUKA: Sure, Chair. Yes. It's r :i_ .tris.ti. .g r a,5_si_onq&J1 awaiicounty.#Yc v. KOSSOW: Thank you. KAUKA: All spelt out. You're welcome. KOSSOW: And that's to get the Zoom link. And anybody that wants to testify via Zoom, that's fine. Then we also have the in-person located at Rodney Yano Memorial Hall. Which I believe is right across the street from Manago's if I remember correctly. The next one after that is Monday, November 1st, 2021, 6:00 p.m. at Hale Halawai, regarding District 7. Thursday, November 4th, 2021, at the West Hawaii Civic Center Council Chamber. It will be in here. That's going to be at 6:00 p.m. Monday, November 8th, 2021. It's going to be at Waimea Community Center. Further details are available on the public notices. The tentative dates for public hearings upon completion of the draft redistricting plan, which shall be one each in East Hawaii and West Hawaii. That's Tuesday, December 14th, 2021, and Thursday, December 16th, 2021. Further details will be provided, and public testimony will be given. If you wanted to take a look at the 3rd session from September 23rd, 2021, you can take a look at the agenda. It has the YouTube link there, to take you back to that meeting. Commissioners, any other announcements? Mr. Hustace. HUSTACE: Thank you, Chair. I just want to thank the staff for making this publicly available via live on YouTube and allowing that possibility. And also, for providing those remote sites for the public to attend these facilities to address the Commissioners. We are grateful for the public taking time out of their evenings to visit with us and share their mana`o. It helps us process these maps. Thank you, Chair. KOSSOW: Thank you. Any other announcements? (No response.) Okay. Just to let everybody know that if anybody has any questions regarding pulling up the ESRI site, with getting on to the County site, they are more than welcome to call (808) 961-8020. 37 0� Don't forget to put the 808 in there. Dennis will be able to help you out or you can email the redistricting email as well. Any other announcements? (No response.) Okay. ADJOURNMENT KOSSOW: May I have a motion to adjourn? LOPEZ: So moved. KOSSOW: Motioned by Mr. Lopez. YOSHINA: Second. Yoshina. KOSSOW: Seconded by Mr. Yoshina. All in favor say aye. (Various Commissioners say aye.) Motion is carried. This meeting is adjourned at 12:11 p.m. Thank you, guys. Aloha. Approved on December 17, 2021 (date) Mr. Bronsten-Glenn Kossow, Chair Hawaii County Redistricting Commission Respectfully Submitted, Nicole Bello, support staff to the Commission m