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CARLILE: Yes. I’d just like to say about that. It is right at our entrance there. It’s just a few <br />feet, and there’s a lot of plants there that if I start making trails and ladders down into the water <br />there I think it’d become very ugly. The other side of the river is the custom line not on my <br />property, I wouldn’t have any control over that. So I just wanted to mention that. So thank you. <br />WOODWARD: Okay, thank you. So you still have some concerns about that one but the others <br />are satisfactory to you, is that correct? <br />CARLILE: I would still, of course, like to be able to have small groups, weddings, etc., because <br />this is a beautiful property. It has been filmed there, the Bachelorette. Up on the upper property, <br />I didn’t know that that would be an issue. I didn’t think about applying for it when I applied. <br />And so, of course, I’m like the Doctor, I’m not trying to build any empire building, have any big <br />weddings there or -. Certainly I don’t like loud noise and would be very careful about those <br />issues. So that’s all. <br />WOODWARD: Okay. Well, it sounds like if you did decide that in the future, you wanted to <br />pursue that, that you could bring back a request for an amendment. We did have -. <br />Commissioner Domingo, did you have a question? <br />DOMINGO: Yes, just one short question. Does the other property owner have any special <br />permits for the use of that property? <br />DARROW: Yes, they do. <br />DOMINGO: They do. You know, one concern that I have here is that, and I don’t know what <br />the nature of the activity the other permittee is allowed to make, to do. But with this one and <br />combined with the other, you know, has the issue of access to those Mamalahoa Highway been <br />addressed? It either has to come from Umauma, from Umauma with a narrow roadway going up <br />to the orchid farms and it either, has to come from Ninole where there’s a turn-off at one point, <br />and the other one is at the Hakalau Gulch, just before Hakalau Gulch. And, you know, I foresee <br />that probably an increase of usage of those portions of the Highway. I’m concerned about the <br />potential safety hazard it may create in the future. Now I know, you know, there’s this statement <br />made that he’s not interested in establishing an empire as a doctor stated, but I guess with <br />weddings and other activities that are being proposed would come other demands or suggestions <br />that perhaps being able to hold a luau, you know, for those occasions, and just to have luaus for <br />people to come and look at the Umauma Gulch. You know, as you say it’s a very eye-catching <br />and very interesting place, a beautiful place to spend some time with. And there are others, <br />maybe not you but others who would be so much interested in doing something other than what <br />you’re proposing and in addition to what you’re proposing that would help them enhance their <br />business. So, you know, what I see is a potential for a huge amount of growth here. And I think <br />we should just be careful what we look at, how we look at things. <br />WOODWARD: Okay, thank you. Any further questions? Okay, if you all would be seated, we <br />do have six people signed up from the public to testify. I’ll get the first four up – Steve, last <br />name starts with a P and they couldn’t read it, so I -. <br />7 <br /> EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />