2021-12-14 Game Management Advisory Commission Minutes

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you know, common interest and respect – that’s why we called on you - Don and I don’t own any land out there – we’re not – this is to improve – as Don said the healthy and productive forest that used to be there and that’s the goal of it – so if we could discuss that a little bit that would be useful. SM: Stanley – District 1 – so these lands are they accessible for the people to use or is it land locked and you cannot get in because there are a lot of forests that is State forest but because of private lands you cannot get to ‘em – so… PS: Yeah, I think that’s all part of it. We hadn’t thought of that issue and that’s a good issue but clearly if those lands were intended for recreational purposes - Hilo Forest Reserve for instance - then I think what’s only fair that we – that paths and trails and roadways should be provided whether it’s by condemnation of an easement through you know a landowner, however that’s done – you can’t land lock. But I don’t think this is gonna be easy I think Don didn’t mention it – we’re looking at minimum 20 years. SM: Yeah, because, you know like in Hamakua with all KSB lands that’s all land locked I mean if you want to go to the forest reserve… PS: Yeah… SM: …. that’s all landlocked – you gotta go get permission from them so… PS: Yeah, that’s true. That’s a lot… DB: I would add to what Peter’s saying and that would be certainly… SM: Don you gotta state your name… DB: Oh, Don Bryan… Ah… That would be part of our project is developing the access and that’s the first thing if there’s going to be – those two have come together by walking away from the lands – those lands had previously had access – that access is now it’s overgrown or somebody’s put a gate on it and that will be part of it and that’s why we say in this – frankly this number was kind of picked out of the air – but when we started we said 20 years to get this all done – to get this entire in excess of a half a million acres accessed but that’s one of the early on things that’s gotta be taken care of – is just physically getting there. Very first thing is to get the biocontrol working – and the second is to start getting the access – and it’s – I believe that the way that access is paid for we know that people will claim they already have money to build the roads but if we go back to the original intent of the legislature which is that commercial forestry – sustainable commercial forestry practice - that activity will pay and I believe should pay for rebuilding those accesses and dealing with those land lock issues. PS: Peter: I mean we’re looking at the very beginning of a 20 year project but working on this for about 18 months now just trying to understand what the potential is – discovering – I worked for Kamehameha Schools, I probably set up some of those leases that aren’t letting you through but, it’s an area of interest that I think has the capability of bringing a lot of people together over a really important resource for everybody so I’m hoping – in looking at this this is like the very beginning stages that we’re talking now - yeah, a lot of input will be needed to make this 4