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VITOUSEK: Second, Commissioner Paishon-Duarte. And we can open it up to discussion for <br /> the commissioners. Any discussion? <br /> PAISHON-DUARTE: So, Chair Vitousek, I really appreciated what you shared about <br /> community benefit and the reason in which you were inquiring more about the forestry plan. So <br /> I may have missed it, but do you have a suggestion or a way forward in terms of how we can <br /> make way for that? <br /> VITOUSEK: Well, I mean—and in this case, of course, we are purely a recommending body to <br /> the County Council who will ultimately make the decision on the time extension but to me I <br /> think having more information would be pretty crucial in terms of a botanical survey of what's <br /> actually there and then having a copy of the forestry management plan in advance so that we can <br /> see what is being proposed and what the actual benefit would be, would help us make our <br /> decision on whether that mitigates the impact of creating an additional density. That would be <br /> my suggestion going forward. I think that this applicant will do that and will do a good job of it, <br /> but going forward, I would like to see that when we are reviewing this material. <br /> KNOWLES: I appreciate that, Chair, and I thinkI mean this is my first round—but it would <br /> seem to me to be also helpful to be more explicit in the approval of the condition in terms of <br /> what exactly the Planning Department is envisioning with respect to the application, you know, <br /> because there's several different versions of plan that the DLNR outlines. So what exactly are <br /> we talking about in this instance? Here we are talking about native Hawaiian reforestation, in <br /> others it might be timber or, you know, I mean it could be all kinds of things. So it would be <br /> very helpful to be more explicit in the condition where we are requiring these kinds of plans. <br /> VITOUSEK: I agree, yeah. <br /> KANUHA: And, Mike, maybe we put a request into Maija just for future reference coming up, <br /> you know, for that as well. <br /> JACKSON: Yeah, I think we can certainly be more specific in the condition language. I do <br /> have a little bit of concern, though, with requiring the forest management plan in advance; right <br /> now it's not a requirement for our application material, and it's a unique situation for Kaloko <br /> Mauka, and it came about as a condition placed by the County Council on previous rezones. So I <br /> think to kind of preempt that and assume that they are going to want to apply that condition in <br /> perpetuity going forward is a bit of an assumption, so I would just caution on requiring the forest <br /> management plan in advance of an application. <br /> VITOUSEK: Right. And I think that perhaps having the forest management plan in advance <br /> isn't necessary, but oftentimes with zoning applications, we are seeing the conceptual plans for <br /> what's being proposed, and, you know, those plans are fleshed out in greater detail after the <br /> zoning ordinance advances and, you know, that's the case. But in this case, we are really getting <br /> nothing in terms of what's going to be done for a forest management plan other than the fact that <br /> a forest management plan will be there. So I think having that level of conceptual planning on <br /> what's going to be there and to be able to present that to us with the intentions is going to be <br /> important going forward whether—it doesn't necessarily have to be the plan itself, that would be <br /> 20 <br /> EXHIBIT C <br />