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DOMINGO: You know, for the long-term planning, as I said the more water that comes down from above, the more impact it will cause in that area where the flood basin, I call it flood basin, is. MELROSE: Right. DOMINGO: Yeah? And if more water comes then it will certainly enlarge to and encroach on the Downtown area. To what extent depends on how much water comes down. You know, my feeling is we should then now look at how much development are we going to permit above Komohana that goes up from Sunrise Ridge and way up into Kaumana. And certainly we’re looking at other develop -, perhaps other developments coming in through there for residential homes and everything. Right now we have a buffer which, a buffer of trees and shrubs that somewhat absorbs the rain and the flooding that takes place. But if we continue to develop in that area, you know, I foresee matters getting worse. And I think what we should be looking at is looking at expansion of our rural areas further toward south or north towards Hamakua passing Wailuku River, and be careful as to how much and to what extent we would develop on the mauka area. Now that’s just my thought. MELROSE: Just a quick thought on that. One of the most prominent issues we see in Downtown is really not related to mauka development but it’s the little -. Because a lot of the drainage facilities that are on the sides of the streets in Downtown were installed in the 1910’s and ‘20s when the roads first went in, County really doesn’t even have a good map of where those go. They know where it comes out because there’s a place in the Bayfront where the water exits. But how it travels and what condition they’re in and how well they’re filtered or how much is, you know, balking them up -? So now you get a big rain, and sometimes they pack up and they’ve got to go -. We really don’t know specifically where they go, nor can we maintain them. So my concern would be bringing that to a practical level right down in the middle of Downtown. We need to be spending time figuring out how to let the water drain, which it doesn’t work -. DOMINGO: But no matter how much an elaborate drainage system you have, I don’t think it will help as much because, you know, Downtown is at sea level already. And the amount of water that comes down will only go into the ocean, and there’s no way that it will just flow out. It’ll just build up. MELROSE: Yeah, and that’s the process -, of the design of the Alenaio project, particularly; and I don’t argue your point. I think you’re making a good point. WOODWARD: All right, thank you. We’ve had a request for a break for five minutes, so let’s take five minutes. And the next people will be Megan Kuwahara and Charlene Masuhara again, once we reconvene in five minutes. PUBLIC: They’ve left. WOODWARD: Oh, they’ve left. Okay. All right, we’ll take five minutes and then we’ll reconvene. 5 EXHIBIT C