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KIMBALL: Mm-hmm.
<br /> VITOUSEK: Any other questions?
<br /> DELA CRUZ: Mahina,just to follow up with your question. Are you referring to, when you
<br /> say "lessee," is that for landlords? Is that what you were going to[Commissioner Paishon-
<br /> Duarte nods] okay, thank you.
<br /> PAISHON-DUARTE: Yes, correct.
<br /> DEFRANCO: So my only other thing is that technology is changing so rapidly about, you know,
<br /> everything, how you charge things, and I don't know much about it, so
<br /> VITOUSEK: You might have to hold your microphone closer.
<br /> DEFRANCO: Can, you can hear me, there you go, okay. Technology is changing so rapidly.
<br /> And so we put in all of these stations now, what happens in a few years? What if they change it?
<br /> I mean
<br /> VITOUSEK: I agree in that the technology that is identified as Level 2 chargers are not likely to
<br /> be the preferred charging mechanism; as we saw, it takes two to three hours, was it, to reach 80
<br /> percent charge, which is going to slow the growth of electric vehicles because people aren't
<br /> going to want to spend two to three hours hanging around waiting for their vehicle to charge in a
<br /> public space. As Director Kern mentioned, this isn't the solution, it's just one step, and having
<br /> them, the language to allow for reduction of the amount of Level 2 charges in exchange for
<br /> putting in the fast charge, which
<br /> KANUHA: I believe, too, with the infrastructure being put in place in the very beginning, it's
<br /> like it needs chicken before the egg, so I think, you know, it's a good step moving forward.
<br /> VITOUSEK: Yeah, I guess a couple of questions that I have in, there was—and I'm sorry for
<br /> not being able to reference it directly on, there's a lot of information, let's see, which
<br /> recommendation was it? The one regarding stalls versus plugs. I think now, I'm not an expert
<br /> in any of this, but my understanding is that sometimes an electric vehicle charging station will
<br /> have multiple plugs that fit into different vehicles, like there would be three different plug
<br /> options to go in there—so perhaps if the "plug" is going to be used, it should be defined to mean
<br /> a source capable of charging a vehicle, you know, so it's not the three different plugs that are on
<br /> the one attachment to fit different types of vehicles, but it's the ability to charge the vehicle
<br /> through the cord itself. If that makes sense.
<br /> KIMBALL: Yeah, so—and Noel is the expert on all things charging, but I think I can respond to
<br /> some extent—so Level 2, DC charger does have a specific format in terms of how it can plug
<br /> into the car, and so what you are talking about is a little bit captured by that exception where they
<br /> can have the DC charger to accommodate for the number of plugs required, but they've still got
<br /> to have that Level 2. And it's like when you put new software on your computer, it's got to be
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