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you is kind of -. Is the developer also required to be sure that the quality of the water coming out is the same before his project as well as after his project, not just the volume and speed? ALAMEDA:Mr. Director? YUEN:The question of increase in sediment and erosion is part of the approval for the channel itself. If the speed of the water is such that it can erode out the sides or the bottom of the channel, then those have to be lined. The developer is not -. Your question of how much brush and debris gets into the channel is kind of an interesting question because when you have a natural channel if you go into Waiaha now, its full of brush. And if there is a big flood, that brush will a lot of it will get rooted and flow out to sea. So its not necessarily true that having a channel is going to increase the amount of debris that flows through it. Because the floods happen very rarely, they do get a lot of vegetation growing in them over time. If you look at pictures, there are pictures of I think the last really big flood in Waiaha, and this mostlyaffectedthenorthernthemainchannel.Thereisabigriverthatflowsthroughthere, and there is a lot of junk in the river as it flows out. But what I mean is that a lot of brush, trees, grass and things that people have thrown in the channel do get washed out with a big flood like that. ALAMEDA:Commissioner Graham, follow-up? GRHAM:No, thank you. ALAMEDA:Seeing no further questions, you may be seated. We do have four more testifiers. Its about ten past twelve right now, so I want to again encourage the testifiers to keep your testimony brief into the point, so we can finish by at least 12:30. Lets call up four: Eugene Levin, Larry Jensen, Susan Golden and Gwen Ilaban. YUEN:I just want to mention one more thing in relation to your last question. Where this southern channel of the Waiaha stream flows out on the makai side currently, there is a condominium development. I mean so its not like the northern channel where you have an actual channel very visible channel that goes out to sea; this floodplain goes through condominiums that are on the makai side of Alii Drive there. ALAMEDA:Commissioner Graham? PUBLIC:Which condominium is that? ALAMEDA:Excuse me, we ask the questions. Commissioner Graham, follow- up? No? If youd like to testify, please, you can sign up if you need to. But from what I see, we have three testifiers here, but I did call up four: Eugene Levin, Larry Jensen, Susan Golden, Gwen Ilaban. Okay, we are missing one. All right. Let me just ask that. Are there any other testifiers? NOMURA:Thats it. ALAMEDA:Okay. Could you all raise your right hands? Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth now before the Hawaii County Planning Commission? 12EXHIBIT C