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BLECK:No. <br />GIFFIN:I understand that -. <br />ROY:ItÓs a dilemma. <br />GIFFIN:YouÓre referring to the Uniform Building Code and, so, yo <br />going on a technicality. But correct me if IÓm wrong and I think, Mikahala, what youÓre <br />trying to get at is the fact that because thereÓs going to be no digging, for want of a better <br />word, then the basement will be at the ground level and then there will be two stories <br />above it. Correct? <br />BLECK:Yes. <br />GIFFIN:Okay. <br />VITOUSEK:Excuse me, but I think he has testified that the building will be <br />38 feet above existing grade. <br />GIFFIN:Right. <br />VITOUSEK:So I donÓt think thereÓs any effort to, you know, hide the height of <br />the building. I mean -. <br />GIFFIN:No, no, that was not my, I didnÓt perceive it that way. <br />VITOUSEK:But what heÓs saying, yeah, I understand. But I just wanted to <br />make that statement. I mean, you know, it has been clear that itÓs 38 feet above existing <br />grade, not 38 feet above the fill grade. <br />GIFFIN:Right, right. And I was just in the process of writing my notes <br />about what you just said regarding fill. So, Mikahala, would you please move on? <br />ROY:Thank you. <br />Are you aware of the cultural heritage associated with Kaluaokalani? <br />BLECK:No. <br />ROY:What qualifies you with reference to these matters regarding <br />sacredness of site and mandate by the State Statutes to, what qualifies you as an expert to <br />be speaking on the development or architecture with regard to a sacred site in HawaiÒi? <br />BLECK:I have none. <br />20 <br /> <br />