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because, you know, several million dollars to build a park of this size. So, I think it was 2014,
<br /> give or take, the County acquired the YMCA parcel back, the 6.2 acres, and then worked with
<br /> the applicant closely to develop a park plan that was approved by the Parks and also approved by
<br /> Public, you know, the plan was approved by Public Works. We actually have construction plans
<br /> for that park, and that was part of the
<br /> DEFRANCO: And where is it exactly located?
<br /> VAN BERGEN: You go up La`aloa, on the left-hand side, there is an 11-acre, used to be an 11-
<br /> acre parcel, now, the YMCA recently put in a walkabout, I don't know if you've seen that, on the
<br /> top of La`aloa,just below that, that's the top four acres, below that is the 6.2 acres,just above the
<br /> Alii Parkway easement.
<br /> DEFRANCO: Would be the park.
<br /> VAN BERGEN: Yes, that would, that's where the park would come.
<br /> DEFRANCO: Thank you.
<br /> FUKE: I'm, for the record again, I'm Sidney Fuke, I affirm again, and I'm the consultant to the
<br /> consultant, so sitting down in the back and all that. So I'd like to just kind of share several of my
<br /> thoughts, and I've kind of had some preliminary discussions with them whispering in their ears.
<br /> But I think that, you know, Mr. Chair, you are correct in a sense that although this is a time
<br /> extension, the time extension requirements require that you look at all of the existing regulations
<br /> and see whether it's, if you were to see this as a brand-new project, whether you still meet the
<br /> test, and so the application was kind of framed around that. And so what Mr. Arai was trying to
<br /> point out, if I understand correctly, was just that if this were a brand-new application, you look at
<br /> the SMA guidelines, you look at the General Plan for, you know, like zone change, they still will
<br /> meet the test. Notwithstanding, you know, on the SMA portion, it's true, I really appreciate your
<br /> comment about Ka Pa`akai, and, you know, like the implication for decision makers. You know,
<br /> it's not our or like Planning Director's decision to determine whether the CIA is or is not
<br /> adequate; it's really you guys, you guys are the decision maker. So if in your, at the end of the
<br /> day if you feel that the CIA is inadequate, it has to be updated or whatever have you, then, then
<br /> maybe there is really like no grounds from [inaudible]from the Ka Pa`akai decision, no grounds
<br /> for the Commission to approve the request, and it really would, you know, it doesn't vote well
<br /> for the applicants.
<br /> So, and I think in terms of the the original CIA was done, that's true, back in 2006—like how
<br /> the SHPD standards have changed, have, you know, evolved over time, you know, likewise
<br /> perhaps like the CIA's, you know, Cultural Impact Assessment, you know, the perspective
<br /> changes, too. And I think this was painfully made aware when we went before the Cultural
<br /> Resources Commission, and all of the different people came about and testified and said they
<br /> didn't consult us, da-la-la-la[phonetic], and so, you know, we were painfully made aware of
<br /> that. So that's the reason why like, you know, we sat down and we figured like how can we
<br /> address the Cultural Resources Commission; that's the reason why we came up with this kind of
<br /> condition. So basically, having, you know, creating a separate opportunity for the, you know, for
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