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would guess, 10 to 1, 20 to 1. That housing has not materialized in many cases yet but that doesnt mean, you know -. But there is much more residential area available for housing now than there was, you know, the lots are there. And I think its, you know, I mean it is true its moving out but thats the nature of development, that, you know, we cant stop people from moving into Hilo. There is more population here than there was 10 or 20 years ago. There needs to be more commercial development and there needs to be more residential. I think this fits with where were trying to go. Thanks. ALAMEDA:Commissioner Siracusa? SIRACUSA:Yes. This is not exactly discussion on the motion itself but I, you know -. I know right now that the Department is working on community development plans for both Kona and Puna. And I would like to urge the Director considering how many applications we get from the Waiakea area to put that on the list and give it a high priority for the next set that comesalong. ALAMEDA:Okay,allright.CommissionerIwashita? IWASHITA:IjustwantedtoacknowledgeCommissionerGaldonescomments.AndI guess my concern in particular with regard to the community involvement, I mean, you know, basically whats involved is a mail-out of a notice to the owners within 500 feet of this particular property, no one responded. Theres a recent notice of the sign on the property. And theres actually, the property next to this application has a sign also for a zoning change request. That lot has been totally flatten, covered with basecourse; and it looks like theyre going to pave the whole thing. Strip Mall here we come. And, you know, I know we have the procedures, and we havent gotten any kind of response whatsoever to this application. But that doesnt tell me that the community supports this, or opposes this, or anything. You know, its a very minimal process, to be very frank, about how we go about giving notice and trying to get community involvement. And our proceedings are really not community involvement proceedings, in my mind. And so, again, I really think that the community development plan developing, that is the process to get the community involvement; and that really should be done before we keep going down this road. Im not saying it should be a moratorium but the community involvement is important, I agree with Commissioner Galdones on that. I disagree that thats taking place in this case. ALAMEDA:Fellow Commissioners? Commissioner Siracusa. SIRACUSA:Id like to call the question? ALAMEDA:What does that mean? WATANABE:Shes asking for the vote. ALAMEDA:Are you ready? SIRACUSA:Yes. 15EXHIBIT A