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we are already downsizing. But our project becomes really unfeasible, if that trail needs to be
<br />where it is on the ground, the path needs to be where it is on the ground today. What we are
<br />open to do is to, we believe, and we were out on the site yesterday, that -. And by the way, the
<br />first half of this trail is actually on the Canoe Club property. ItÓs not on the property until you
<br />get, if you see that white spot, thatÓs actually some sand that was thrown out, so behind that is the
<br />point of the property, until about that point you are on the Canoe Club property; you are not on
<br />this, our subject property. We believe that by clearing vegetation and moving some loose rocks,
<br />no improvements, no nothing, that we can accommodate that trail about 80 percent of the way,
<br />maybe 90 percent of the way, within the Canoe Club property. And at the same time we do
<br />acknowledge on the northern part, right as you come up to the Î and itÓs Homeland SecurityÓs
<br />property, so again, I never want to presume that, you know, that they want access over their
<br />property, itÓs actually the Coast Guard Î but as it leaves our property, there is one area where we
<br />acknowledge it as very difficult to get access up to the adjacenand we are willing to
<br />work, you know, with the appropriate people within our property to provide a pathway through
<br />that area. So basically, what we are looking at is language, and I have some draft language,
<br />which I can, IÓm willing to share, is that, you know, to the extent that improvements can be a
<br />route Î I donÓt want to call it a trail but a route Î a reasonable, safe walking route can be created
<br />on the State property through the movement of loose rocks, either removal or placement of loose
<br />rocks, and the removal of vegetation, then the trail should be there; to the extent that you donÓt
<br />have a safe route within the lands, then the route should be on our property and we would be
<br />willing to accommodate those improvements necessary for that. And so we are willing to have a
<br />condition to that ex-, in fact working with the Planning Director, with Department of Land and
<br />Natural Resources, and to me really critically, working with the Kawaihae Canoe Club; it is their
<br />property and I donÓt want to do anything that would, you know, again, so without MannyÓs
<br />permission Î and we talked briefly about this Î is not something I would even be proposing.
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<br />BOWMAN: I have a question Î visual person again. You talk about the trail being in the
<br />Kawaihae Canoe ClubÓs property. Are you talking then from the parking lot, maybe we can have
<br />a little, from the parking lot across the beach and then into the kiawe. Maybe you can show me,
<br />or show us, please.
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<br />B. MOORE: Again, I donÓt want to call it a trail; itÓs a route or a path -.
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<br />BOWMAN: Okay, a route. Thank you.
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<br />B. MOORE: So you know, again, what happens -. Actually, it may be easier if you go to the
<br />site plan where you donÓt have the trees. I can describe it a little bit.
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<br />BOWMAN: Thank you.
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<br />B. MOORE: So again, you see this building here. For those if you are familiar, the sandbar is
<br />out here in front of this building, and thereÓs some canoes on it and canoes stored behind. So
<br />there is a, when during non-high surf, there is a walkway, a way to traverse in front of that berm.
<br />During high surf -. Again, I donÓt want to speak for Manny; in fact, let me, you may want him
<br />up here. Because you can walk, usually that berm is pretty protected. But you enter the property
<br />basically about in here and, well, actually you enter the property about here right now on that
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