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WOODWARD: Jeff, if I might ask -. <br />WATANABE: Mr. Woodward. <br />WOODWARD: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Excuse my ignorance, but what is <br />permaculture? Is that sustainable agriculture or what? I mean, is that like permanents for your <br />hair? I have no idea. Permaculture, I’ve never heard that term before. Is that sustainable <br />agriculture? Is that what it’s supposed to mean? <br />DARROW: Unfortunately, I’m not familiar with that term as well; so if we could wait <br />for the applicants to come forward, maybe they could explain it in a greater detail. <br />WOODWARD: Okay. <br />DARROW: Thank you. <br />WATANABE: Ms. Siracusa. <br />SIRACUSA: You referred earlier to a cane haul road, and I was wondering if that has a <br />name that is referred to in any way because, you know, when I was reading this originally, I was <br />confused between -, whether Union Mill Road and Union Market Road were the same because of <br />the similarity of the names. Now I understand that Union Market Road is really Maluhia Road. <br />So I’m wondering if this cane haul road has another name that it’s referred to, just so I can keep <br />track of all these different roads and not get them confused with each other. <br />DARROW: It’s my understanding that the former cane haul road referred to in <br />Condition No. 6 -, if you’ll notice, it states from Akoni Pule Highway to the applicants’ property. <br />We are dealing with: Maluhia Road, which is the access easement; so this apparently was a <br />former cane haul road. Pratt Road for this short distance and then Lokahi Road, which again has <br />been named recently, and this Lokahi Road accesses to the applicants’ property. It’s my <br />understanding that they were referring to this entire length from the Highway to the applicants’ <br />property for this particular reference. <br />WATANABE: Yes, Ms. Bowman. <br />BOWMAN: Maybe a point of clarification. The Honopueo Community Association, <br />how many other access -, what is their access? Or is that relevant? I’m just not sure how many <br />landowners there are and all these different accesses, where their accesses are. <br />DARROW: As far as anybody else other than those that have been specifically <br />prohibited by condition would be able to access their properties through Union Mill Road, <br />through -, I’m not sure if Kohala Nursery Road is open, I hear that it is and then I hear it isn’t; so <br />I’m not sure access can be utilized through there. Maluhia Road now is accessible. <br />Additionally, as mentioned earlier, School Road; but it appears you need to have some sort of <br />permission. Then again you have Kamehameha Park Road, which is just to the west. <br />Kamehameha Park Road is a gated road; it seems to be a highly contentious access. So it <br />EXHIBIT B <br />4 <br /> <br />