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The third concern is the current structure, which is being classified as an unpermitted dwelling <br />on the agricultural portion of this property. This shed is outside the SMA and SUP (sic) permit <br />area. No one is living in this building. And we removed the kitchen appliances from this <br />unpermitted structure a number of months ago. We have submitted plans for this structure as- <br />built, and the application number is B2008-1201K. In addition, we will be applying for an <br />additional farm dwelling. This, we are not using as a farm dwelling this shed; we are like using <br />it as a shed. We will notify the County Planning Department as soon as we receive each of our <br />permits. Thank you very much. <br />WATANABE: Do we have any questions for the testifier? Yes, Mr. Woodward. <br />WOODWARD: Thank you very much for your testimony. And that was very <br />enlightening. And I think it’s a testament to the fact that you are trying to meet the requirements, <br />which is what we are looking for. My other question is what is permaculture? <br />SUNDERLAND: I’m happy to share that with you. Many people would think permaculture <br />is organic farming. Permaculture basically is without pesticides, without herbicides; without <br />pesticides, things are grown using rotating crops and cover crops to enrich the soil. <br />WOODWARD: So sustainable agriculture. <br />SUNDERLAND: Absolutely. Our whole Retreat is sustainable. We create our own <br />electricity, we use catchment water, we grow our own vegetables. So very much sustainability, <br />yes. <br />WOODWARD: All right, thank you very much. Thank you for your testimony. <br />SUNDERLAND: You are most welcome. <br />WATANABE: Yes, Ms. Bowman. <br />BOWMAN: I have a question maybe to enlighten the Commission. How many <br />residents or how many people are in the Honopueo Homeowners’? <br />SUNDERLAND: There are 12 different homeowners at present time. <br />BOWMAN: And there are already built structures, their homes? <br />SUNDERLAND: Of those 12 residents, more than – I can’t say for sure – I think there are <br />maybe 6 or 8 that have over the last two years built houses or sheds or some kind of structures, <br />yes. <br />BOWMAN: And so those people can use either Union Mill Road or Maluhia Road, if <br />they are bringing gravel or HPM or any -? <br />SUNDERLAND: Absolutely -. <br />EXHIBIT B <br />8 <br /> <br />