2022-08-18 Leeward Exh B (Items 4 Meneghetti PL-SMA-2022-000017)

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VITOUSEK: About how many of those trowel tests did you do? CLARK: I just kind of poked around wherever I could in the sand just to see if there was any chance that there would be buried cultural deposits. VITOUSEK: Do you think there is a possibility of having like areas of where there is uneven topography where like the pahoehoe would dip down low enough where it could contain subsurface material? CLARK: I think it's very unlikely. The only spot is, again, in the Kailua kind of makai corner where there is, there are some rocks, but it appears that it was pushed in there to create that walkway next door. VITOUSEK: So, pushed in—is there, was there any testing where you did that can identify like fill on top of native soils or sand or anything like that? CLARK: No, we didn't do any formal testing. VITOUSEK: Okay. And then, if you don't mind, Alex, you think you could pull up page 38 on the PDF on the screen? Of the background report. Yeah, and if it's possible to zoom in on ROY: Is that the one you want, Chair? VITOUSEK: Yes. Yeah, I mean just in looking at that photo, we are looking at wind-blown sand deposits KNOWLES: Can you make it a little bit bigger? VITOUSEK: Okay, yeah, so we are looking at wind-blown sand deposits in an area that's got a pretty high concentration of burials. And I just want to know if there is any way that we can rule out the possibility that there is anything subsurface on this property. CLARK: I don't know that you can 100 percent— VITOUSEK: Right. CLARK: —rule out. VITOUSEK: Right. CLARK: Looking at it and having looked at other similar properties, I would say it's very unlikely, but I can't say 100 percent. VITOUSEK: Do you think like doing some formalized testing might give us indication that there is no, very, very limited possibility of that? I think we would be better off making that 8 EXHIBIT B