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WOODWARD: All right. Any questions for this testifier? Seeing none, all right. Sir, if <br />you’d just give us your name and address and then begin your testimony. <br />THOMAS: My name is Robert Thomas. I’m with Construction Engineering Labs, <br />and we’re located at 1173 Waihona Street, Pearl City. And at the request of Mr. Chamberlain, <br />we went out and did a preliminary observation of the property to scope out our investigative <br />measures and to address any concerns that the Commission and Planning Department may have <br />in the development of the property as a mining site. As we approached the site, I noticed that <br />there were a number of uncontrolled 1-acre mines under operation and had significant concern. <br />And I can commend and understand your concerns for proper slope stability and setbacks from <br />the property lines. And Mr. Chamberlain is to be commended for not mining his property until <br />those proper measures have been taken. <br />Taking a look at the materials that we have along those slopes, I had a lot of concerns with the <br />prior mining operations and the vertical cuts that were made right up to the property lines <br />themselves. And I learned today that there was an accident previously that resulted in the death, <br />and Mining Safety and Health Administration has become involved. <br />In taking a look at the property and taking a look at perspective yields from this property we’re <br />going in the direction of recommending a minimum of five- to ten-acre plot for mining <br />operations to adequately address the safety concerns as well as the economics. Breaking up the <br />lots into smaller zones with slopes and setbacks will definitely cut into the potential yield of this <br />area. We are looking at stabilizing the slopes with a system most likely comprised of the <br />shotcrete, soil anchors and wire mesh to stabilize that slope. And I understand that <br />Mr. Chamberlain is proposing to excavate down to at least a 100-foot depth below the existing <br />grades, maybe even deeper depending upon stability concerns and resources. <br />I also wanted to address the Commission to make sure that our investigation and our report meet <br />all of your concerns and questions, and cover any areas including MPDS concerns for this <br />particular property. <br />WOODWARD: I’ll direct that to the Planning Director. <br />LEITHEAD TODD: Our biggest concerns in this area, some of the items that you mentioned is <br />that in some of the prior lots because they are one-acre, only 83-feet wide, and guys have done <br />vertical cuts, it has led to areas where we’ve been concerned about stability of the nearby roads <br />and also the impact to neighboring properties. Because, you know, there’s one lot which is <br />going to come in, and it’s kind of in a strange situation. It’s a one-acre lot. But what happened <br />is everybody excavated around him. So even though it’s a one-acre lot, what he has is property <br />that is sitting 78 to 56 feet above what has been mined around him. So he wants to be able to <br />come in and basically bring his lot down to try and meet what has already occurred, because <br />otherwise he has got these vertical slopes and not much width. And we were looking at <br />perspectively trying to go in the direction that Arrow of Oregon is talking about in terms of <br />having minimum operational sizes of at least five acres because we wanted some slope stability. <br />2 <br />EXHIBIT C <br /> <br />