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are being held under the moratorium are bad, bad plans. I don’t know if that’s true or <br />not, you know. You said that if it’s delayed any longer you would allow those plans and <br />people to upzone and increase density. So I’m not sure that increased density or those <br />plans are bad. <br />And on the second issue of, you know, passing a plan, hurry up and pass a plan, it’s my <br />own personal feeling, I would rather take my time and pass something good that’s for the <br />good of the community, than to pass something bad just because something is going to <br />expire and you want to beat the clock on some other issue, you know, or you want to beat <br />the clock on the moratorium -. The moratorium shouldn’t control, you should say there’s <br />this moratorium -. Well, it’s my own personal feeling, you shouldn’t say there’s this <br />moratorium out there so therefore let’s hurry up and pass this bad plan. So, I don’t know, <br />that’s just me. But everybody has their own point of view. <br />WATANABE: Thank you. Mr. Woodward? <br />WOODWARD: I just have a comment. We’ve heard from two speakers, both of <br />them from Honolulu, that have large property holdings and are interested in developing. <br />I’m not sure that that’s really what the community wants. I’m not saying that you don’t <br />have any valid points because I think some of the points you made are probably valid. <br />And this process is not perfect, none of us are perfect. But, you know, the first two <br />speakers we have here live in Honolulu and they are large landowners and they’re <br />developers, and that casts a little bit of a shadow on the way I look at this whole scenario. <br />ARAKAWA: Well, I think if anybody looks at the papers that we’ve prepared <br />these are sound planning principals. You could live in Maui, you live in Oahu, you could <br />live on the Big Island, you could live on Kauai, you could live in Sacramento, California <br />and all of these would be true. But, you know, we’re coming here because we do have <br />issues that we think are important. We do believe that the plans could be improved and, <br />you know, that’s our position. I cannot help if you don’t believe what we say because <br />we’re from Honolulu. I cannot help if that’s how you feel. But, you know, we believe if <br />you show this document or Tom Witten’s document to any planner anywhere in the <br />United States they would say that these are sound planning principals. <br />WOODWARD: Well, we appreciate your testimony, and like I say I think some of <br />the points you made were very valid. And as I said before, the process is not perfect. It <br />will never be made perfect. But I just wanted that on the record that, you know, we <br />haven’t yet heard from the people in the community here; and we’ll see what they have to <br />say. <br />WATANABE: Ms. Bowman. <br />BOWMAN: I think I’m going to date myself. But I worked on the, you know, <br />I’m from Kohala, on the North Kohala Community Development Plan. And what we did <br />in the seventies, and it happened to be PBR Hawaii was, were the planners. And I know <br /> <br />17 <br /> <br />