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taking this action that authorizes or, you know, at least we make a semblance of having some
<br />authority over Leopolino Road when title is not clear.
<br />SPRINGER:Just amoment, Mr. Erickson. Mr. Director or Mr. Torigoe, do you have a
<br />response to Commissioner Iwashita?
<br />YUEN:Id like to ask a couple more questions though along, just to straighten
<br />some of this out. Is there documentation that LeopolinoRoadis a government road of some
<br />type?
<br />S. ERICKSON:Yeah, because my initialresearchwas at the Tax Office to determine if it
<br />perhaps was privately owned. Andit would, they said if they could locate a TMK that was
<br />assigned to it, it would indicate there was a private owners, and I would want to contact that
<br />person; and there was nothing of that kind. I have some stuff that I mailed to you guys
<br />previouslythathavemapsthatwouldbehelpful.Idontrecalloff-handexactlywhatindications
<br />they had it was a government road, but it was convincing that it was a government, it was either
<br />State or County; and very likely County, very likely it had been transferred to the County, but
<br />somehow the instrument of conveyance was lost. The State usually, what Im told, only owns
<br />highways. So anything, they dont want to deal with anything thats, you know, coming off of a
<br />highway, or thats not a highway. So that would be their position, thats my understanding.
<br />YUEN:Well, it would be quite normal for a government road for there to be no
<br />documentation of its ownership. What you would have is old records, old tax maps, old maps
<br />that refer to it as a government road. If its not part of the State Highway system the end result
<br />of this old roads in limbo controversy is that its going to be a County road. What, but you first
<br />have to, at the initial stage you have to determine whether its a government road at all because
<br />sometimes there are roads that are used by the general public that everybody thinks its a County
<br />road but are, in fact, privately owned. I could name a few of them that are that the County, in
<br />fact, paves once in a while. But on Leopolino Road, do you know if the parcels are described as
<br />being along a government road when they were originally conveyed? Is there some record of the
<br />title of these lots being conveyed along -?
<br />S. ERICKSON:You know, I really cant say as I sit here right now. Im pulling out my
<br />file to see if I could find a map, and refresh my memory on some of the stuff I looked at.
<br />IWASHITA:Can I clarify my concern?
<br />SPRINGER:Commissioner Iwashita.
<br />IWASHITA:Thank you. The Director is right. The title to these roads in limbo issue
<br />derives from the fact that from the time of the Great Mahele when the title to all of our lands
<br />were issued. These government roads in limbo basically shows up, they show up on maps, right,
<br />I think, generally, as a government road or as a road. And the old, the very, very old -, that
<br />establishes jurisdiction over the roads basically says, as it applies today, the State is responsible
<br />and owns only the roads that it claims title to. So the State has control over that. You know, if
<br />this was a State road, then the State would have a record of it somewhere, because they would
<br />claim title to it, as a general proposition. And, as the Director said, every other road thats not
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