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the density around that to help make it a more viable economic zone would be basically on a voluntary basis; if any of the 1-acre lot owners surrounding that wanted to participate in that and increase the density on those lots from, say, 1 house per acre to up to maybe 4 houses per acre, that’s the suggested possibility. WATANABE: Okay, so that’s sort of like the floating zone or something, cause it sounds mixed use -. BROWN: The floating zone could be a zoning designation created in Chapter 25 that would be applicable to that, again, community master plan defining what that village center area would be. WATANABE: Well, you’ve answered part of my question, though, because I was concerned about the ownership of the particular property that you are attempting to pool. And from what I can gather, you are saying the Association as an entity owns 20 acres and Watumull owns the other 20 acres, which makes it obviously easier to negotiate than 4,000 separate lot owners. BROWN: True. And they would be -, yeah, and those two lot owners, the Homeowners’ Association plus Watumull family – Sheila Watumull in particular, who lives in Honolulu at this time, I understand, holds the rights to the land – as well as the surrounding lot owners, those would be the primary stakeholders in developing that village center. OLSON: I would -. WATANABE: Mr. Olson. OLSON: Yeah, I would point out, too, that the realistic effect over the timeframe that we are talking about, if you were to get – using HPP as the example – something in the neighborhood of 10 acres together, that would be a reasonable sized start for the town center. In other words, if you take -, recently we had the Pahoa village center opened, and that’s a 10-acre parcel; and we’ve got a store, and we’ve got a doctor’s office and pharmacy and a couple of real estate offices and a hardware store. I mean, none of those things exist within HPP right now; everyone has to go outside of that subdivision, they have to get out on Highway 130 to do any of that kind of business. So even 10 or 15 acres right now, given the available water infrastructure in the near term, is about all you’re going to realistically see. All of that’s going to come later -. SIRACUSA: Could I? WATANABE: Ms. Siracusa. SIRACUSA: I’d like to jump in also and mention that the 20-acre lot that’s owned by Watumull, who was the original developer, was set aside by Watumull themselves to be used eventually for commercial. The only thing that -, so it’s not like someone has to convince them that because they had other plans; but the sticky point, as I understand it, has been water infrastructure to that parcel, and that has kept Watumull from developing that parcel or seeking help or, you know, looking for -. Because we had asked when they came, when the Yamada EXHIBIT C 27