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GRAHAM: Any other questions from the Commissioners? <br />DOMINGO: Mr. Chairman? <br />GRAHAM: Yes, Commissioner Domingo? <br />DOMINGO: You made reference to the Kohala development plan. I think it’s <br />mentioned in one of the documents here that the plan states that agricultural lands should be <br />preserved. But on the other hand, a few sentences below that under the economic element of the <br />plan, states that agricultural lands should be used for retreats and other uses to bolster the <br />economic potential of the area. Are you aware of that? <br />WITHINGTON: Yes, I’m aware of that. I’m also aware of the State law; the State <br />law regarding agricultural lands that lists specific uses for use on prime land and requires State <br />review of these uses. And one of the uses that are specifically listed in there as not prohibited is <br />overnight camping. <br />DOMINGO: Yes, it does. And that is why they are here before the Commission <br />to obtain a Special Permit. I would advise you, as you work on the Kohala development plan, <br />that you consider this two – what do you call – discrepancies, and perhaps allow for some <br />leeway, not leeway, but some explanation as to the importance of it. Surely agricultural lands <br />are important. But when you look at it from the economic standpoint, I think what drives growth <br />in Kohala and other areas on the island is the fact that people are using agricultural lands to <br />consider other alternate uses, so that they can use the land for more economical purposes than ag <br />use in itself. <br />WITHINGTON: Yes, I understand that very, very much. And I do support any <br />economic growth in our community; I mean that’s given. The point is that the State and the <br />County have both recognized that the transition from plantation agriculture to diversified <br />agriculture is going to take some forbearance by everybody. Because if we allow our prime ag <br />land to be taken up by non-ag uses, we will not be able to go back. The inflation of the value of <br />them will take them out of their ability to be used as ag, and we will find ourselves in a kind of a <br />sticky spot, not being able to use ag when we have the opportunity to do that. <br />GRAHAM: Thank you. Any other questions from the Commissioners? All <br />right. Sir, in the center, please start with your name and address. <br />PERRY: Aloha, everybody. My name is Michael. Last name is Perry and <br />not “W.” My address is 74-5085 Kealapua Street, Kailua-Kona, Hawaii 96740. I just have kind <br />of two things that I was, as he was speaking. I know we’re talking about land and the economic <br />and the use of it of growing things on top there, and that’s cool and all. But as I was looking at <br />your panel, I was thinking I work with teenagers and youth in high schools and stuff like that, <br />and it’s very, very hard to find places where we can take the youth and do outreaches and camps. <br />We normally get shut down because of a -, certain places have so much restrictions that we can’t <br />be allowed to go camping in areas. In September I spoke about Makalawaena. We go camping <br />down there. And not one occasion but two occasions, there’s big, huge parties, you know, <br />people down there really destroying the land, really destroying. One night I explained in <br />September was the morning after the Forth of July weekend, the morning after, the whole place <br />EXHIBIT B <br />5 <br /> <br />