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DLNR; Mary Anne came out; she then inspected the whole deal, which – I don’t know – some of you remember we went through. But there was no sneaky business here. In fact I was complemented for having done what I did do, which was immediately the first thing I did was to make sure that the County was aware that graves did exist. GRAHAM: All right. Thank you, Mr. Ibbetson. IBBETSON: Okay. That’s all I wanted to say. Thank you. GRAHAM: Fine. Mr. Matsukawa, would you and Mr. Kaiawe have any comments to the Commission? I think what feels like it’s right to me at this time and needs to be addressed is how do we proceed procedurally at this point. So if you can just start with your name and address, and go ahead. MATSUKAWA: Thank you. My name is Michael Matsukawa. My address is 75-5751 Kuakini Highway, Room 201, Kailua-Kona. I’m Mr. Kaiawe’s attorney, who is also present to my left. Mr. Krueger accurately described the mediation process that’s ongoing. I’d just like to clarify that in that separate civil case, one of the questions raised is whether in fact the Hawaii Conference had the authority to change the landscape, so to speak, of the parcel. Judge Strance noted that the 2003 deed by the Conference had the effect of changing the character of the land from a cemetery to an ordinary agricultural parcel with graves on it. And one of the issues raised in the separate civil action is did the Conference and its deed have that authority to so change the character. As far as how we move forward, I think the statute governing administrative practice leaves the case now where those persons who were not present during the hearing, if they are familiar with the record, can take action as the Commission may feel, but provides for proposed Findings first, with the parties having the right to file Exceptions. That process can be waived. Under these circumstances, Mr. Kaiawe would not want to waive that process. If you do move forward, we’d prefer to follow Section 91-11. And I think the same procedure -. SIRACUSA: Excuse me. Could you hold the mike closer to your mouth? I’m having trouble hearing you. MATSUKAWA: Oh, okay. To follow the process outlined in Section 91-11, I think there is a similar rule in the Planning Commission’s Rule 4. So that would be our take on it. Thank you. GRAHAM: Okay. Let me -. Thank you. Let me put in a little bit of my understanding now from what I’ve heard, for the Commissioners’ benefit and for you to correct me if it’s not quite accurate. As the Commissioners will know from the record, we did not have a hearings officer when we had this contested case hearing. So we did not have the hearings officer provide us with the Findings of Fact and all like that for us to act upon. But as Mr. Matsukawa mentioned, you know, he does have rights, and both parties have rights, under the Hawaii Administrative Procedure’s Act to essentially see what is proposed in a written form, I believe or -. And then they can file Exceptions to that, and we make our final decision thereafter. I don’t think we are in a position ourselves here today to discuss this matter, and come up with some proposed Findings that we then pass onto you folks. Mr. Torigoe suggested EXHIBIT A 7