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D. ROY:Definitely. As a child, one would have to climb up the stairs on a <br />PuÒu, quite a bit above Alii Drive. And it can seen that where the houses below Alii <br />Drive are located, is a, simply a continuation of that before it existed. <br />M. ROY:So, in other words, if we would take out all existing matter there <br />today and envisioned PuÒu, there would, in fact, have been a hill there? <br />D. ROY:Yes. And I might say that the term PuÒu refers to the ge <br />in which it is located. ItÓs a place name, much like Kainaliu or any other such place <br />name; and, as I was given to understand, it was a very populous and a thriving village in <br />1823 when the Reverend Ellis passed through. <br />M. ROY:Is the name PuÒu on any map? <br />D. ROY:No, and it is not on any StateÓs map that I know of. And <br />problem was very difficult for me to ascertain its location all these years, until I finally <br />determined it from the writing of John IÒI, which I overlooked. <br />M. ROY:Thank you. Do you refer to his work of ÐFragments of Haw <br />History?Ñ <br />D. ROY:Yes. <br />M. ROY:Also, is Kaluaokalani, the phrase Kaluaokalani, on any ma <br />D. ROY:No, it is not. <br />M. ROY:Your reference to understanding the existence of Kaluaokalani, in <br />written form, came what source? <br />D. ROY:The legal form, the documentation of this is in, I think, in the <br />publication of Reverend Thurston in one version of the trip around the island and, of <br />course, this one is ÐThe Polynesian ResearchesÑ by the Reverend William Ellis, who was <br />a member of the same party that went around the island in 1823. And he describes it as <br />being somewhere about three hours from Kailua at a leisurely pace and walking along the <br />trail; and he describes that place, also, as a very thriving village at the time in which was <br />connected very closely to Keolonhihi. So it was a separate know -, separately-known <br />name, but definitely contiguous with the area known as Kamoa Point. It is simply in a <br />fashion of the village. <br />M. ROY:Thank you. <br />D. ROY:In connection with that, I would like to also add that <br />KamehamehaÓs Royal Guard, KukaÒilimoku, was located in its own heiau in the <br />Keolonhihi Complex, as well as AhuÒena Heiau has been located for Kame <br />Kailua. <br />16 <br /> <br />