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D. ROY:That is correct. <br />M. ROY:And that, to be clear, for myself, was invested for the first time on <br />HawaiÒi Island at Kaluaokalani. Is that correct? <br />D. ROY:That is correct. That is the most significant thing about the <br />investment of this kapu. Because contrary to what we have led t <br />writers, is that it never did exist before. It existed in OÒahu until her time. <br />M. ROY:So, again, I bring the question, investment of this type <br />would you agree with me, that it is purely spiritual, an investment done clearly <br />spiritually? <br />D. ROY:It is spiritual in the extreme sense in that it carried on to all <br />members of the family; and it meant that no one was to be carried on your back or <br />allowed to be on your back. <br />M. ROY:Would you call this a custom and a tradition of Hawaiian <br />D. ROY:It is part of it and an on-going tradition and these people of that <br />descent retained that kapu. <br />M. ROY:Am I correct in assessing, in saying then that the conveyance of <br />this kapu was a conveyance of mana? <br />D. ROY:Absolutely. <br />M. ROY:Can you please, to the best of your ability show us where you think <br />this investment may have occurred, if you can? <br />D. ROY:Where is pakihai? I think this is it. <br />M. ROY:Pakihai is above. <br />D. ROY:She lived here in this area, she lived here. And so when the time <br />came for the investiture, there were people, who were concerned, that lived down the <br />coast. Keawe, particularly, was said to live by the sea at KahaluÒu and his sister nearby. <br />Keaumoku then lived where the sister, Kalaeaka ika iaiwi -. <br />M. ROY:Kalanikau-. <br />D. ROY:Kalanikauleleiaiwi lived and that is nearby to Keawe, <br />Kekauiliomoku. And, so, while Keakealani was living here, these <br />along the coast. And this investiture related to them as they were taken from their homes <br />to her place, there out to Phoehoe and down, to practice by other people like Heulu. <br />27 <br /> <br />