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she gets that permit. We are in a pretty quiet farm community out there, the 5-acre lots and everything, and thatÓs why we bought there. I also own property on Ililani Road, another 5-acre piece on Kapoho Beach Road which we also pay assessments from another association to upkeep these roads, both of which she would be asked to use to get to that property. Kapoho Beach Lots Road where it comes off the Highway 137 belongs to the Kapoho Be Association. That road is also a private road maintained by the Kapoho Beach Lots Community. The other road sheÓs using, Ililani, belongs to Kapoho Vacationland. I think that excessive use, right now itÓs very, very minimal. But to have that kind of traffic on there -- it is predominantly a red cinder road, the dust, the safety and all of that -- and to put a 12-foot wide road in there and try to get past the 25-passenger van or bus isnÓt going to work. One or the other is going to go off the shoulder of that road, which will make it deteriorate much faster. I think the whole thing, personally if there isnÓt a road issue, is I think the use of the land is not what it was designed for; and I would like to leave it at that. Thank you very much. WOODWARD: Thank you. Any questions for Mr. Kelly? DOMINGO: Mr. Chairman. WOODWARD: Commissioner Domingo. DOMINGO: IÓd just like to make a comment to clarify an issue which has been spoken of by the visitors, and itÓs in regards to the traffic. And it has been mentioned that, the figure of 30,000 annually. Now when I brought this up it was just in reference to the requirements of the ag tourism bill, whenever you establish a particular area for an ag tourism district, and that means that you can only have up to a maximum of 30,000. Now with regard to this specific application before us, IÓm not saying that they will have up to 10,000, 20,000, or whatever amount. I cannot say. I donÓt think any one of us can say how many cars or how many visitors will be on that highway. IÓd just like to make it clear and be fair to the applicant that weÓre not anticipating 30,000 visitors with this application. Okay? Thank you. WOODWARD: Any other questions? Okay. Mr. Lono Lyman, if youÓd give us your name and address, and then give us your testimony. LYMAN: Lono Lyman, PO Box 374, Hilo 96721; and PO Box 3896, 9681 Honolulu. Just to set the record straight, first, IÓm representing Kapoho Land and Development. IÓm not here just as an individual. IÓm a manager and a corporate officer of the company and the company owns an adjacent parcel, TMK: 1-4-02:3. Part of the background, and I offer this as a comment, my family has been here for over 1,000 years. WeÓre part of the Hawaiian Lyman family. The ownership of the land goes back to my great grandfather who acquired it in the late 1800s from Charles Keaina who is the father of Lunalilo. So it came from the King, to Charles Keaina, to my great grandfather, who while he was learned man and also Lt. Governor of this island chose to die without a will. And I had to think about this for many, many years before I decided that he did it intentionally to keep the land in the family so that his children wouldnÓt have separate ownership. In 1947 two brothers and my father who was their first cousin started to get together to try to, and all of them were graduates of the University of Hawaii-Manoa Ag Program, Richard Lyman and Arthur Lyman who were the two brothers and my father Clarence. And my fatherÓs entire career was with the EXHIBIT B 21