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Plan so that it will be a basis upon which you folks can, well, effectuate and amplify your <br />needs and your demands in the public. Is that what it will do? <br />GUMAPAC: Well, the amendment that you have before you is structured so that <br />the resources that are there from mauka to makai, because the Kanaka Council is made up <br />of all of the different organizations throughout the island. It’s not just over in Puna. <br />Jimmy is from Kona. We have representatives from Kohala; and we also have Palikapu <br />down in Ka‘u. And so we’re bringing all points of the island to the Kanaka Council. <br />And so the Kanaka Council has been involved for the last two plus years in involving <br />ourselves in the protection of the resources from mauka to makai. And so when we saw <br />this Puna CDP program, we said this is perfect because now we would be able to have a <br />say in protection of that prior to any kind of, like Jimmy said, having to litigate. Because <br />we have litigated, we’re still in litigation on some of the issues now. And so rather than <br />doing that, wouldn’t it be better for us to be in this process so that we can make sure that <br />our resources and culture are protected? And meeting with the people up at Volcano <br />Community Association last week, they kako‘o the Kanaka Council’s input; and they <br />were very, very glad to see the Kanaka coming out and stepping up and taking this <br />position. <br />DOMINGO: One question. During the course of the review and the formulation <br />of the Community Development Plan have you folks really participated and let your <br />feelings be known to the entire community? <br />GUMAPAC: At the outset, at the very outset of the CDP process, we gave our <br />mana‘o in that first couple of meetings. And so from that point we felt that all of our <br />feelings for the Kanaka and for the Hawaiians were going to be taken up. And from what <br />happened in the Puna CDP, it has, because they’re really, really looking at the resources <br />and the traditions and protecting the iwi and the inadvertent finds on the burial caves and <br />so forth. And so they looked at and considered that all in the Puna CDP. And the only <br />thing like I said that was missing was to be able to, who’s going to oversee that. Because <br />in talking with some of the members they said that some of the issues that they had, <br />especially in the pin-to-pin grading, okay, that was a big issue; and so they, because they <br />weren’t sure how that was going to be enforced, you know, they decided maybe they <br />might pull some of the sections out of this thing. And then when I brought our portion <br />in -- of which this is our culture and we’re going to protect our forest, we’re going to <br />protect all of the resources that are out there according to the laws and according to all of <br />the Supreme Court cases that we won -- including what’s protected under the Sate <br />Constitution under XII, Section 7, when I presented that to them that put a different light <br />as to how much more enforceable this Puna CDP can be. And this is the direction that <br />we’re coming into from the Kanaka Council. And we believe that we got standing. <br />WATANABE: Okay. Thank you. Yes, Ms. Siracusa. <br />SIRACUSA: Very brief, I want to thank the Kanaka Council, you know, for <br />coming forward and offering to help us with the implementation. It’s quite obvious that <br />there are a lot of good points made in the plan about the protection of the cultural <br /> EXHIBIT B <br />5 <br /> <br />