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FOULK:Thats-, I dont know what area we would rope off because nothings been <br />identified there honestly. In 1972 this site was over-excavated by, to a depth of 12-feet below <br />natural grade and those boulders pushed out to sea to help protect Sea Village. Now, when <br />Roper did that in 1972 he substantially altered the grave there, where the gravesite might have <br />been. If you stand on site in that location today, the actual grade is about 4 feet at that location <br />below the adjoining property line, which is just a few feet away. So you can see that the <br />bulldozers have come in there cut down and pushed a substantial amount of material out to sea to <br />protect Sea Village, some time ago and thats according to the architect that was involved with <br />Sea Village at that time Jack Parazette. So to answer the question we are happy to rope it off but <br />we dont know what to rope off, theres, no one has identified anything there. <br />SIRACUSA:I was given to understand that it had something to, it was something in <br />relation to an old kiawe tree that had been cut down. <br />MOOERS:Ms.Nagaihadsaidthatwhenshewasachildthatsherecalledthather <br />father told her there was a grave by the tree. At that time she did not indicate that shed ever <br />seen the grave other than the fact that she knew of it. When we went on site with the 2 <br />archaeologist we could find no physical evidence of, of any grave. There is an old kiawe stump <br />there but again Im not quite sure what we could rope off. I think that the point that we raised at <br />the time was that there may be a burial there because theres history, oral history from Ms. <br />Nagai. And were not disputing that. The problem is, is there or isnt there, you know was the <br />burial disturbed by the bulldozing work done you know in the 70s. And we dont know that. <br />So the solution really is in consultation with our archaeologist is whats the protocol. You know <br />should we start digging to see if we can find this grave? And they both said no. That thats, that <br />is not the protocol. What you do is that you, you dont dig in the area but if theres any ground <br />disruption work that you have a monitor present so if anything is discovered you would stop all <br />work. In this case we may have you know machinery on that site but we will not be able to dig <br />in that site so we should not be disturbing that. But with a monitor there if anything is disturbed <br />you know all work would stop. If you look at condition number 9 its basically what that says. <br />SIRACUSA:Yes and thats a standard condition anyway thank you. <br />GALDONES:Commissioners any further questions of Mr. Mooers? Seeing none. Mr. <br />Mooers we have people from the public who have signed up for testimony so if you could <br />relinquish the chairs please. I have 3 individuals from the public who have signed up to testify <br />on this matter. Charles Buscemi, Brian Haney, A.J. Gallant. Are the individuals here? If they <br />are please come forward. <br />HAYASHI:Mr. Chair. While theyre coming up I just wanted to enter into record this <br />document that was submitted by A. John Gallant. <br />HANEY:Thats from me. <br />HAYASHI:Oh. <br />HANEY:Brian Haney. <br />EXHIBIT A <br />7 <br /> <br />