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HAWAII POLICE COMMISSION <br /> REGULAR SESSION MINUTES <br /> MARCH 17, 2023 <br /> WEST HAWAII CIVIC CENTER, BUILDING A, COUNCIL CHAMBERS <br /> 74-5044 ANE KEOHOKALOLE HWY., KAILUA-KONA, HI <br /> CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL <br /> Chair Brown called the meeting to order at 9:03 a.m. <br /> Present: Thomas Brown, Chair <br /> Dylan Andrion, Commissioner <br /> Pudding Lassiter, Commissioner <br /> Rod Quartararo, Commissioner <br /> Rick Robinson, Commissioner <br /> Anthony Sur, Commissioner <br /> Absent: Denby Toci, Vice Chair <br /> John Bertsch, Commissioner <br /> Donna Springer, Commissioner <br /> A quorum was present. <br /> Also present: Benjamin Moszkowicz, Police Chief <br /> Chad Basque, Assistant Chief <br /> Andrew Burian, Assistant Chief <br /> Kenneth Quiocho, Assistant Chief <br /> Kayne Keli`i, Detective <br /> Charisse Correa, Secretary <br /> Dakota Frenz, Deputy Corporation Counsel <br /> STATEMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS <br /> • Justin Arnold, Marine Corps veteran, and firearm instructor came before the <br /> commission to provide testimony on the proficiency testing for concealed carry <br /> applications. He explained that there are some things on the proficiency test that <br /> concerns them. The most important thing is the draw only and firing a condition 1 <br /> firearm. When people are under stress, some accidents may happen. When drawing a <br /> loaded firearm from a holster, there's always a risk of injuring yourself with a round <br /> going off prematurely impacting the ground around you, and ricocheting in the vicinity. <br /> During his time in the Marine Corps, he saw marines who are trained, and have a lot of <br /> experience accidentally discharging from the holster position out to its presentation and <br /> it happened frequently. He hasn't had a single person do that since he started doing <br /> proficiency testing, but as time progresses there's a high chance that will eventually <br /> happen. To his knowledge, there's no other state that requires drawing a chambered <br /> firearm and shooting it under time. Another safety issue is shooting with the non- <br /> dominant hand. He further stated shooting from the knee position brings you to a much <br /> less stable position, especially for those with disabilities or injuries, etc. He spoke about <br /> reciprocity, it's county-by-county-specific, and no other state has it that way. Every <br />