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MOORE:That€s correct. <br />GRAHAM:Okay. And when we were out on the site, I asked the question, <br />well, what is the constraint on the water leaving off Kilauea Avenue, is it the entryway <br />into the culvert system or is it the excess from the culvert? And my understanding was <br />we were going to talk about that later, but I haven€t heard anything more about that. On <br />the same vein, I mentioned the idea that there was two 24-inch pipes going to carry it <br />down. And our concern was what happens at the exit of these pipes, right? So, now, we <br />hear that it€s going to be one so that whatever would happen at the exit is only going to <br />be half as bad. But still, I haven€t seen presented to this body or presented to the <br />neighbors exactly what the specific situation will look like when that happens if you do <br />that. Will that cause a bunch of extra water? You talk about ponding, if you put the fill <br />in, is that water going to wind up on the Mormon Church site, is that water going to pond <br />back there, where€s the ponding going to take place? If the road is trying to move 24 <br />timestwowateroffitandyoucanonlytake24timesone,thatseemstomealotoftimes <br />it€s going to run down the street probably. I don€t know any of the answers to that, and I <br />haven€t heard any in the presentation. Thank you. <br />MOORE:Let me, first of all, the drainage study, the flood study, drainage <br />study, the drainage study had to look at all of that. That was part of what Yen had to do <br />as part of the drainage study which was submitted to and reviewed by the Department of <br />Public Works. The, and Yen can speak to this, but the bottom line is that when there is <br />an existing flow of that stream, you cannot, any development cannot increase it. They <br />cannot change the points where those waters enter the property or where it leaves, and <br />they cannot change the speed of the flow where it enters or leaves. So to the extent <br />there€s impact from that stream on the neighboring properties, that€s not going to change. <br />Is it going to be there? We think we made it less a little bit by having some ponding, you <br />know, and the water can€t flow around; but it€s going to still go back into the floodway, <br />it€s not going to disappear. But, you know, having made the situation better -. We know, <br />again, the flood study will again have to show or prove this would not make it worse, and <br />that€s the bottom line. And then we think we€ve made it better by, again, providing some <br />ponding areas, again, within the floodways so it does impact the Mormon Church <br />property but it€s also within the floodway that€s designated, you know, right now. <br />So that€s the best, I think, you know, we can look at it now. In terms of the flow what I <br />understand is that during a major flood event, as indicated, the stream will flow, I mean, <br />the street overflows. It looks for all kinds of, it doesn€t just come down into those <br />culverts. So it€ll top, it€ll flow in through areas; and that€s part of the 100-year flood. <br />And, again, to the extent that those are existing conditions, the key and the requirement of <br />this project is you cannot make it worse on adjacent properties; and that€s part of what <br />Yen had to look at as part of his calculations. So correct me if I misstated anything. <br />GRAHAM:Where is the ponding going to take place that you€re saying there€s <br />going to be? <br />23 <br /> <br />